Match 62: CRO : ENG - CAKIR (TUR)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2018: Refereeing' started by balu, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you underestimate a little just how much training is necessary to become good at being a VAR. I'm just talking the technical aspects of it, not the decision-making part. Not enough leagues use the technology regularly. If VAR is here to stay, that will change in 2019 and 2020. Then you'd be in a good situation where you can have a good pool of referees for a World Cup tournament.

    Of course, this is all a digression now...
     
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  2. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I completely agree--at this level.
     
  3. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    If we're discussing VAR implementation, what does that say about Cakir's performance?
     
  4. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm having technical difficulties but you can see it around the 50 second mark here.

    https://streamable.com/hiudg
     
  5. Echoing

    Echoing Member

    Apr 14, 2013
    if VAR can’t be counted on to review clear cases of PIDAM what is even the point
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it says more about our collective ability to go down unrelated or tangentially related rabbit holes!

    He's been fine. But not great or good. He's been what FIFA wants.
     
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  7. akindc

    akindc Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    Washington, DC
    True, so let me end with one question for you.
    Do you think this tournament would have been better off without VAR?
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks. Not as close as I thought.
     
  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From a referee's perspective, yes. But mostly because I think referees would have been more inclined to make some necessary red card decisions.

    From a fan's perspective, I don't know. It had some very good uses early on in the tournament that led to penalties being given or not given. So it felt like it was working for a bit. But the ultimate inconsistency makes me think the more devoted/dedicated fans would say "yes." For the more casual fan, probably "no."
     
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  10. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    And there’s the non-reaction to a player telling the ref to “******** off”
     
  11. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Once again, a great demonstration of consistency . . .
     
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  12. akindc

    akindc Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    Washington, DC
    Please tell me you're kidding...
     
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  13. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Blue, dude, blue . . .
     
  14. akindc

    akindc Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    Washington, DC
    Blue? That's a thing?
    I learn something new every time I come here...
     
  15. Count Chocula

    Count Chocula Member+

    May 7, 2010
    Cedar Falls, IA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    for a second I didn't think that was gonna be called a foul
     
  16. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, what changes mentally for the ref crew at this interval?

    Obviously sucking down fluids, but what's the talk amongst the crew?
     
  17. Scrabbleship

    Scrabbleship Member

    May 24, 2012
    Is this some weird thing exclusive to this sub, because I don't see it anywhere else on the internet.

    You either put /s at the end to denote sarcasm or you have some balls and don't mark it at all as sarcasm and watch the dumpster fire it brings.
     
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  18. Scrabbleship

    Scrabbleship Member

    May 24, 2012
    Probably the same thing I tell my crew whenever you need a winner at the end of a match: A good referee never lets it go to penalty kicks ;)
     
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  19. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    it's Cakir's job to bring it home!
     
  20. socal lurker

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    May 30, 2009
  21. Count Chocula

    Count Chocula Member+

    May 7, 2010
    Cedar Falls, IA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    AR missed a corner, and he was close enough he shoulda seen it
     
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  22. Ickshter

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    Manchester City
    Mar 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Couldn't tell if that ball was completely over or not. Part of the ball not on the ground could've still been in. Camera angle wasn't conclusive.
     
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  23. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I have been wondering if GK/CK is going to be the first step on VAR's slippery slope. Significant decision that is easy to see on video and sometimes easy to miss live on a minor deflection.
     
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  24. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Not a fan of the R stepping toward players like that in response to the kicker's teammate without holding up the kick--he got pulled into the gamesmanship
     
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  25. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    Is that a red whistle he's brandishing? For a second there I thought wait ... what?
     

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