Margaret Thatcher, defender of the Soviet Empire

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  1. spejic

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  2. Borussia

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    I always knew she was an ultra-communist in disguise! :p
     
  3. DoctorD

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  4. england66

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    Maggie was probably not much interested in Germany achieving in peacetime what they failed to achieve in two world wars.....total domination of Europe.
     
  5. 96Squig

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    How do you define total?
     
  6. Borussia

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    Yep, she should be called Mrs. Nostradamus after the European Championship 2009 women's soccer final (with Germany beating England 6:2 and totally dominating Europe by winning the last 5 tournaments in a row)...:p
     
  7. DoyleG

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    Its fair play that now Germany dominates England in the latter's national sport. After all, Britain had beaten Germany twice in theirs.
     
  8. babaorum

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    That was also François Mitterrand's point of view. Both Mitterrand and Thatcher were obsessed with history repeating itself. They feared that France and Great Britain would find themselves in the position of their predecessors in the 1930s. Mitterrand went to East Germany in december 1989 to celebrate the 40th anniversay of the communist state... a few weeks after the fall of the Berlin Wall and despite his close friendship with Helmudt Kohl.
    However Mitterrand never believed, contrary to Thatcher, it was possible to prevent the reunification of Germany.
     
  9. Borussia

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    LOOOL. How paranoid must both have been then...?
     
  10. babaorum

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    Indeed. Mitterrand was an old man from the WWII generation but also a very intelligent person. I've always found weird he could think this way.
     
  11. mattteo

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    They're doing it with the EU, whose only reason of existance, and it's very clear after this crisis, is to defend and support Germany's out-of-mind, out-of-time, Nazi-reminiscing neo-mercantilism.

    Fortunately it's not gonna last.

    But hey, being America's bitch in hope to get back some of your (thank God) vanished imperial power is no better.
     
  12. mattteo

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    'Sensible' is a more appropriate word, especially for Mitterand.

    After Hitler Germany picked Adenauer...I'd be wary too.
     
  13. mattteo

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    It goes without saying that Mitterand was completely right and his fears (which went far beyond Germany's overt imperialistic aims) unfortunately became reality.
     
  14. Borussia

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    Matteo, I think you are paranoid as well. :))
     
  15. Naughtius Maximus

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    Ya think?
     
  16. argentine soccer fan

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    With a little help from its friends.
     
  17. Alex_K

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    Judging from previous threads... you seem somewhat obsessed with Adenauer. He was imprisoned by the Nazis twice (once in a concentration camp) - while certainly not a saint a Nazi he wasn't. There's a lot he can be criticized for still.
     
  18. Naughtius Maximus

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    ... eventually! ;)
     
  19. DoyleG

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    Adenauer was put back in as Mayor of Cologne by the Americans only to have the subsequent British administrator, General Gerald "The jungles are secure" Templar, for basically being an idiot at his job.

    Kiesinger, on the other hands, was a Nazi.
     
  20. Borussia

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    He'd better be obsessed with the corrupt prime minister of his country and the fascists from "Lega Nord" supporting him...

    Compared to them, Adenauer was a saint!
     
  21. Borussia

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    He had been a member of the NSDAP, indeed. One of the main reasons for the left "68-er" movement/generation in Germany...
     
  22. Alex_K

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    He wasn't exactly a staunch Nazi either, though - even with the minor role he played he shouldn't have become chancellor, but it's not as if this stopped other people from a second career in the 50s and 60s either.
     
  23. mattteo

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    Don't worry, I deal with them on daily basis as part of my 'real-life' political activism. Fortunately they're not big in my town.

    But hey, 20% of Germans voted for FDP (and I hear NDP got some 'good' results too)...it's not like you have a great government either.
     
  24. mattteo

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    Where have I said he was??

    Germany's history of imperialism, suprematism and will to rule over Europe pre-dates (and post-dates too) Hitler and nazism.
     
  25. Borussia

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    Nice.


    The FDP didn't get 20 % but 14,6 % (still too much, indeed:) ... and the NPD (never heard of NDP:) got slightly more than 1% of the votes. Every vote for them is a shame ... but when knowing how much the fascists got in your country (they are even in the government, what's a huge embarrassment for Italy & Europe), you'd better mind your own business!
     

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