Libertarian Fail

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  1. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    It is strange. Considering what we spend money on and the attention being paid to this specific issue thanks for John Stewart, they have to know it's a PR nightmare to oppose yet they seem to be motivated by something I simply don't understand.
     
  2. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    Perhaps he simply believes that one should compete for 9/11 payments in the market place of ideas
     
  3. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
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    Colombia
    Or that KY should not pay for NY problems...
     
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  4. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    It seems he was just using the embarrassment as leverage against turtle
     
  5. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    He doesn't seem to have much of a problem taking working people's money from NY and handing it over to the .01%.
     
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  6. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Then formidable NY senators should do a better job protecting their state.




    I know, I know, it's too twisted....
     
  7. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
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    Colombia
    I'm confused about Amash now...




    Actually not... I think...
     
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  8. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Justin, you voted to increase the deficit with the tax cut. So don't act as if you are a fiscal conservative.

    He's right that this is a kick-the-can, boost the economy now, increase the deficit, irresponsible budget. Which generally happens under Republican Presidents, because when a Dem is President then Republicans try to slash spending, so as to hurt the near-term economy. Whereas Dems don't return the favor to Republican P:residents.
     
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  9. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    He would have voted to cut spending.

    But the gop was unwilling to go there.

    Now my question is how did he vote on military spending? Did he vote in favor of the increases?
     
  10. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    That's right. And he shouldn't have voted for the tax cut until it was ready.
     
  11. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    True.

    But to be fair, he would get double the hate from this board if that had happened.

    But at least he would be less of a hypocrite.
     
  12. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    All true. Although I will say, I support fiscal conservatives of any stripe. I would prefer more spending and higher taxes. But if they have the courage to cut both, in equal measures, I salute that too.
     
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  13. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Depending on where the budget cuts are of course.

    Right?
     
  14. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Not right this time. I respect all true fiscal conservatives. I wouldn't vote for all of them, but I respect them.
     
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  15. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    What about those who vote for a bloated military? Most of 'em do. So they have as many blind spots as Dems do for "liberal" causes.
     
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  16. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    If can they make the numbers work. Which none of them do, one must admit.
     
  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Subsidizing farmers for votes must go away too. I'm making a list for my 2028 run.
     
  18. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I just looked it up, New Jersey is screwed the most out of all 50 states, in terms of sending the most net $$ to the federal government per capita. Iowa, of course, is a net taker.
     
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  19. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Yep. And the SALT deduction cut screwed us even further.
     
  20. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Quietly, that was some kind of bill. I can't think of any other bill wherein the party that controlled the Presidency and both houses of Congress so targeted the opposing party's voters. (I mean, such bills may well have occurred, I just don't know about them.) The bill had two main aspects: 1) corporate handout, and 2) increase the wealth transfer from blue to red states.

    On the other hand, while the wealth transfer wasn't much discussed, the GOP did pay for the bill in the 2018 House elections.

    Not a Libertarian fail, per se. I wanted to write about this topic, but I confess that it doesn't belong here.
     
  21. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    If dems wanted to return the favor, they would have to look to cut military spending, which might not be as popular as cutting Medicaid, food stamps, etc. (apparently) are.
     
  22. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Neither are popular. Which is why neither ever gets cut, not meaningfully, and which is why all tax cuts are fraudulent.
     
  23. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    No need....der Trumph just did that by siphoning off a couple billion $$ for a humanitarian wall!

    Whatta guy!! :rolleyes:
     
  24. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah, reintroduce the deductions for State income and Sales tax (Property tax optional) just put a max deduction like a million or so.

    But that would mean less revenue, so the Democrats won't do it.
     
  25. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United

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