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Discussion in 'Ecuador - Clubs' started by Gourcuff_07, Nov 26, 2010.
Fernando Guerrero is 27? Holy shit....I thought he was 35.
Cavallini will be a much more expensive players than Silva and more risky nor can he complete with Silva's Goal scoring ratio. Plus Cavallini plays for Canada's NT so he might be called up and it could be inconvenient to Liga.
We are not playing Libertadores so I think Silva will be the safest bet. Our league competition is on decline so an experienced player like him with good goal scoring ratio will be more than capable of succeeding in our league and Liga. I hope he interested in coming and yea willing to take a one year contract.
This will be necessary to stabilize Economically and return back to the top 4 of the table and qualify for international cups.
I dont think any more players will be let go so Liga's 2017 squad will look like:
Daniel Viteri 35 años
Leonel Nazareno 22 años
José Gabriel Cevallos 18 años
Norberto Araujo 38 años
Edison Carcelén 24 años
Horacio Salaberry 29 años
José Quinteros 26 años
John Narváez 25 años
Henry Quiñonez 23 años
Luis Cangá 21 años
José Cevallos Enríquez 21 años
Jefferson Intriago 20 años
Fernando Hidalgo 31 años
Edison Vega 26 años
Fernando Guerrero 27 años
Alejandro Villalva 24 años
Jairo Padilla 25 años
Anderson Julio 20 años
Hancel Batalla 19 años
Rubén Olivera 33 años
Esmaides Julio 18 años
Alex Bolaños 31 años
Jonathan Betancourt 21 años
Juan Anangono 27 años
Ronie Carrillo 20 años
Santiago Silva 36 años
Carlos Garces said he would like to return to Liga, but Delfin's offer is better. The fact that Delfin is willing to put down more money for Garces than Liga tells me that Liga doesn't really want him. Personally I would've given him a second chance. He's a much more mature player now than he was when he came to Liga at 21 or 22 years of age. He's 26 now and had a great run in Atlante even though it was second division ball. He had a good 6 months in Cuenca last time he was in Ecuador too. I personally think he's more suitable than Juan Anangono as far as characteristics go. If you ask me between the two I would go for Garces at the moment. The Anangono of last year was dreadful. I liked Anangono of 2014 under Zubeldia that was like a lion fighting every ball. That Anangono is what I would like to see. Garces has a better present than him and if I'm not mistaken he's probably a bit younger too.
Another thing- Liga holds the rights to Kevin Mercado. The plan is to sell him to a team in Mexico, Argentina, or Europe. If that doesn't happen he stays in Liga according to what I heard. I think if he stays in Liga we will have strengthened our attack. He had a good end of the season in Saramiento and I think he's on the verge of breaking into a good moment in his career. Too bad for him that he isn't continuing in Saramiento....it would've been better for him for his momentum to continue rolling.
I think if Liga really wanted to they could've asked for Gabriel Corozo back for at least 6 months- 1 year from Granada seeing how we still hold the majority of rights to him (just like Mercado).
For now the starting line up looks like:
Viteri; Narvaez, Canga (Araujo), Salaberry, Quinteros; Cevallos, A. Bolanos; Padilla, Olivera, Guerrero; Anangono
Not the most appealing.
I would have given Garces a second chance too. But Delfin has seem to have bought him already not sure how true the rumors were about Penarol, El Nacional or BSC were.
Mercado and Corozo would make such a difference to this team. I hope we get a solid LB though cause Quinteros who doesnt play naturally on the left and Vega who isnt really a LB are not the options I would want for our main starting LB. Not to mention Henry Quinonez who just joined.
Munua said he would sign a foreign CAM and a striker. I am actually hoping we can get Silva I think a player like him can match Carlos Quinteros 22 goals in 44 games in one season. Him and Quinteros are actually about the same age so I really dont care about his age TBH.
from a WhatsApp conversation I saw today between Barcos and an important source he doesn't want to play in Brazil. Weird because if you google Hernan Barcos it says he's a player of Santos starting today on Wikipedia lol which obviously anyone could have altered. Anyways, the problem in this situation is Velez Sarsfield- according to Barcos. They don't want to let him go for under $1 million which Liga does not want to pay. Aside from that, Barcos is willing to accept the final offer Liga made to him. The obstacle is Velez Sarsfield because he still has a contract with them and is supposed to play for them this season. What will happen? Who knows, but I hope the futbol gods are with Liga b/c he would make a huge difference for us in so many ways. I think Barcos' signing would be the biggest of the season in the campeonato just like last year Damian Diaz was the signing of the year (followed by Brahian Aleman). With Barcos and a good mediapunta we are speaking in a different language. At that point we will be considered competitive. I don't see any national players of interest for us to sign. I think Esteban slacked and completely fell asleep.
JF Cevallos is doing one hell of a f*cking job AGAIN this season signing young promising players already thinking in the future of his club team when in reality it's pretty young already (besides their two center mids). Esteban can learn a thing or two from him. That's where we've been failing. There's nothing interesting at youth level in Liga? Then do what JF Cevallos did and sign young promising players from other teams. 17-21 years of age. Smart moves by that man.
A man can dream...
And is Corozo going to stay with Granada B? He just played a match with them.
Is it true we landed Barcos?! I hope so cause like you guys said... Liga fell asleep. I hope it's because we have youth coming up that will compete for a starting spot or something.
I really doubt we have solid youth since we been changing coaches and Aguinaga only mentioned a few names from the youth team that were coming up Esmaides Julio and Harold Carcelén theirs also Reasco's son.
But a few sources are saying is so because of a post on twitter it said that at night there will be more details so lets so it might be so. We also got Felipe Rodriguez form Chiapas is seems dont know to much about him but with Barcos I will be happy enough. I have been waiting for this for quite some time.
My starting 11 will be
Narvaez, Araujo/Canga, Salaberry, Quinteros
Olivera, A. Bolanos
Guerrero, Cevallos, Rodriguez
I'm so excited. News outlets are reporting it and as of yesterday we had no shot and now Liga will be very competitive again. BSC and Emelec watch out.
That's what we'll have to go with. I agree with this 11. I'd like to know if Narvaez could also play center back? I hear Liga was attempting to sign Cristian Cruz. I think he plays in River Plate (ecua), but i'm not sure. The kid is average at best. Not worth signing, but sure since there's not many options what else can we do. I know Liga produces better right and left backs than that kid. I think Jeison Dominguez -ex. BSC (despite his injury from a while back) would've been a decent signing. It's horrible to know we don't have many right and left backs to choose from in the country. Our defense needs more power to compete with the likes of BSC or Emelec. They have young talented players. From our starting 4 in the back only Narvaez and Quinteros seem legit. We just need them to have good back ups. Our center backs aren't promising at all unless Canga steps it up. I'm not a fan of Salaberry and Araujo is still good, but more because he's a leader.....he's not the player I can see us winning a campeonato with as a starter. We need better than that.
I will say this though. Our attacking half is better than Emelec's though. Ayrton Preciado and Joao Rojas are average at best. If Guanca leaves, good luck finding another player just as good. That man was a legit replacement for Miller. The only way to get another Miller is paying up a handful of mils and then some. Bryan Angulo and Segundo Portocarrero are actually what's interesting up front for them. BSC - now they have a sh*t ton of players. Alvez, Marcos Caicedo, Diaz, Esterilla, Cristian Aleman, Washinton Vera, Jose Ayovi, Abel Casquete, Walter Chala, and Erick Castillo. That's two complete teams and more. Pancho Cevallos knows his sh*t.
Yea Cevallos has player to cycle and compete in el campionato, Folrida cup and Libertadores I heard there not going to compete in el Guayaquil cup which is disappointing becasue he has enough players to do all of these cups. Not to mention noche amarilla is going to have another star guest player rumor has it to be Diego Forlan. Personally I would love to see some one like Eto come and play. But he is going all out to make sure he doesnt have a bad run in Libertadores or Sudamerica. He is reacting planing and taking action. This work is to be apllauded.
As for our LB I knew from the start we should have gone for a sold player this is us going after last minute signings Im actually jelous Cuenca got him on loan watch him make a come back. Ideally I wanted our back line of 4 to be Quinteros, Narvaes, Araujo/Salaberry, Solid LB.
The only youth LB I know of is Jorge Carcelén(21) he has been around since Zubeldia do we have anyone else? Not sure but im pretty sure Vega will continue to hold that spot. Vega is good player but he is not a LB. He doesnt have the natural instict to defend like one. Lets see what Munua does im interested to see. Suck that we wont have any solid friendlies before el campionato.
Liga's starting 11 for now has been the following:
Viteri; Quinteros, Salaberry, Canga, Villalva; Bolanos, Cevallos Jr; Guerrero, Olivera, Rodriguez; Barcos
It looks like Olivera is being used as an enganche which I'm personally fine with as long as he can supply us with creativity. Bolanos vs. Hidalgo will be interesting to see...looks like Alex Bolanos is in better condition right now. And Guerrero and Rodriguez are the best we got to be honest. Villalva is the surprise in the starting 11 as a left back. Idk what to expect. He doesn't convince me. We need a real left back....uno con oficio. No improvising. Our bench looks weak. I'll be praying for no injuries all season. I hope The young guys are strong enough to hold their ground: Anderson Julio, Jefferson Intriago, both Carcelen's, Ronnie Carrillo, Jonathan Betancourt, Hansel Batalla, etc.
These were the two line ups vs Catholica.
El primer once fue estructurado así:
Daniel Viteri; José Quinteros, Horacio Salaberry, Norberto Araujo, Édison Vega; Jefferson Intriago, Fernando Hidalgo; Anderson Julio, Rubén Olivera, Felipe Rodríguez; Juan Luis Anangonó.
Mientras que para la segunda mitad: Leonel Nazareno; John Narváez, Luis Cangá, Édison Carcelén, Alejandro Villalba; Álex Bolaños, José Francisco Cevallos, Jairo Padilla, Hancel Batalla, Jonathan Betancourt y Ronie Carrillo.
The fact that Villalba and Vega are constantly being used as our left backs tells me a few things.
1) Henry Quinonez will most likely be the third option behind these two
2) Jorge Carcelen still isnt ready to break into the first team.
3) ATM we dont have any other solid youth LB coming up.
I would much rather play Olivera in CM Next to Bolanos or Hidalgo in Latina that where he played the most. I think playing Cevallos as a CAM would lead him to scoring more.
Our new shirts thoughts?
I think they are okay. How was the game tonight? Anyone watched it? Saw the highlights and Betancourt and Cevallos have great chemistry it seems. They killed it.
Any one in this list worth going after besides maybe Guerron and Mercado ? All these guys still dont have clubs.
Joffre Guerrón (31 años)
Posición: Exremo y delantero.
Último Club: Cruz Azul.
Álex Colón (30 años)
Posición: Mediocampista creativo.
Último Club: Espoli.
Michael Jackson Quiñonez (32 años)
Posición: Mediocampista creativo.
Último Club: Mushuc Runa.
Marwin Pita (31 años)
Posición: Mediocampista creativo.
Último Club: Mushuc Runa.
Elvis Bone (33 años)
Posición: Defensa central.
Último Club: Delfin.
Kevin Mercado (22 años)
Posición: Volante o extremo izquierdo.
Último Club: Sarmiento de Junin.
Andrés "Belleza" Mendoza (27 años)
Posición: Defensor central.
Último Club: Juárez de México.
Juan José Govea (26 años)
Último Club: Douglas Haig de Argentina.
José Luis Perlaza (35 años)
Posición: Defensa Central.
Último Club: Mushuc Runa.
Miguel Álvarez (28 años)
Último Club: Mushuc Runa.
Cristian Arana (28 años)
Último Club: Delfin.
Geovanny Nazareno (29 años)
Posición: Lateral Izquiero.
Último Club: Emelec.
None of those names besides Joffre Guerron and Kevin Mercado are interesting. Guerron is too much $$$. Mercado would've been very manageable, but I'm guessing the Paz family doesn't find it necessary. Guerrero, Julio, Batalla, Rodriguez are the main four names we are managing on the right and left wings. I personally think Mercado would've been a great addition.
About Noche Blanca....I liked what I saw- OFFENSIVELY, but not in defense. Exactly what I was afraid of- our defense isn't equivalently as good or competitive as our offense. We don't have two quality center backs (Araujo is almost on E in his gas tank) and we don't have a quality left back. Vega does NOT work for me. Villalva perhaps??? But who's to say he will do well. I honestly doubt he fits in. I feel like that will be our biggest weakness- left back position. And defense in general. Salaberry has been ok, but I'm not a fan. Would've gone for a much better center back.
I personally think Alex Bolanos and Cevallos are the duo that should start in the mid. So far both of them along with Jonathan Betancourt (who IMO will be the surprise player of not just Liga, but perhaps the campeonato this year) are the best players in Liga. Betacourt MUST start once he's able to play (he will be registered NEXT Tuesday for game 3), as well as Cevallos and Bolanos. The 3 of them connect VERY well, especially Cevallos and Betancourt. This kid impressed the sh*t out of every Liga fan that night. Betancourt playing as a mediapunta is GREAT. My starting line up:
Viteri; Quinteros, Salaberry, Araujo, Villalva; Bolanos, Cevallos; Rodriguez, Betancourt, Julio; Barcos
I think Betancourt should start over Olivera. Olivera has to win his spot. Hasn't really impressed me yet. Rodriguez I'd like to see more of. Since Betancourt can't play this weekend and Olivera is injured, I'd say go with Cevallos up there behind Barcos and Intriago starting next to Hidalgo.
I really wish coaches would try Quinteros on the Left or Narvaes as a CB im pretty sure I saw both of them play those positions at some point in their careers.
Even then we still need a solid LB and at this point I doubt we will sign anyone. And if we do our options are really slim to none. Narvaez, Salaberry, Araujo, Quinteros or Quinteros, Narvaez, Salaberry, Villalva is something I would like to see.
Im still upset Canga still hasnt come into to maintaining a starting position. He hasnt grown or improved like I hoped he would.
Liga not looking good. Not looking good at all. =(
I really hope we get Betancourt's issue fixed soon. At this point I would opt for a back line of 3 or 5.
Narvaez, Araujo, Salaberry;
Quinteros, Cevallos, Bolanos, Intriago, Guerrero;
Our Defense and Midfield are our biggest issues. Our midfield lack creativity. Vega is our biggest issue in defense. I think we should make Rodriguez win his spot too. Olivera and Rodriguez off bench until they earn their spots. Next season I really hope we invest in some good fullback both right and left and few good center back.
Next game is vs Rvier Plate at home I really hope we at least score and see some improvement.
I cannot believe Esteban is so retarded to have built this team with NO left backs. Like seriously you f*cking moron! This is Esteban Paz at his finest with his stupidity. And you think people want to go to the stadium to see Liga play when you built garbage???!! That's so irritating. The only good things he did was sign Barcos, Alex Bolanos, and Jonathan Betancourt. Everything else he did was at the very least stupid and questionable. We have an injured Olivera who is 33 years old ready to hit up a nursery home. An injured Salaberry who isn't the greatest player ever....some people say they miss him b/c we didn't get scored on during the time he has played on the field (coincidentally). And finally NO left backs. Like did this moron Esteban think Liga wasn't going to suffer 6 months without left backs on our squad. Are you out of your damn mind??!! That's an incredible method to aim us towards relegation. Yet Esteban Paz was quick to sell Pervis Estupinan and Gabriel Corozo who were....LEFT BACKS. MORON!!! How retarded are you? To just give away players for chump change instead of having them find success in Liga and possibly get international exposure through Libertadores, Sudamericana, and possibly the NT and THEN sell them at a higher price. F*cking IDIOT! Irritating as a fan to see your team suffer at the cost of someone else's stupidity. And then he cries saying we spent $14 million on Liga's team this year blah blah blah, we're broke. Broke b/c of your stupid moves. Learn something from Nassib Neme. Learn something from Jose Francisco Cevallos. Learn something from Michel Deller. Learn something from River Ecuador. You're stuck in 2008 Esteban. Following old modules. It's a new era. Update!
As far as your line up javer, I can't see Liga with a line of 3 if we suffer enough already with a line of 4. You think Chiqui Guerrero will come back to defend? I'd be saying my prayers throughout 90 mins +. Same with Quintero- can't hold his ground in a line of 4. Imagine a line of 3. The guy would be in need of binoculars to find out what's going on in defense b/c that's where you never see him. He never comes back to cover ground. I don't see a trio of Intriago-Bolanos-Cevallos simply b/c Bolanos sometimes has the habit of moving up field. Intriago and Cevallos already do that. I'd say Hidalgo-Bolanos with Cevallos in front of them. At least with this Liga. If we had good right and left backs I'd feel a bit more at comfort with Cevallos-Bolanos-Intriago. I think Cevallos and Betancourt behind Barcos would be ideal IF we had good carrileros. My line up with the limited team we have now would be:
Viteri; Narvaez, Salaberry, Carcelen/Araujo, Villalva; Bolanos, Cevallos; Guerrero, Betancourt, Julio; Barcos
My question is....after such a great run in Emelec for 2 seasons is Narvaez doing SO POORLY to not be considered better than Jose Quinteros? Is this real? I find it VERY hard to believe.
I honestly dont think it could be worst like you said Vega and Quinteros are the reason we are losing. The main thing is to get more people who can defend in our back line.
Villavla I dont think will be better than Vega I would rather improvise Carcelen as a LB who I actually think can play LB or has in Aucas.
Hidalgo hasnt played at all under Munua and wasnt even on bench last game.
Carcelen should play LB. Munua should exploit that he can improvise him as a LB and that he has done so in previous teams. And yea I really dont know why Narvaez hasnt played under Munua yet.
Narvaez, Salaberry, Araujo, Carcelen would be the most defensive and balanced line we can make with this limited team. At this point since we never invested in a real LB I dont care if Carcelen assist in attack if he defends that left side through out the game we have fixed a major part of our defense.
Quinteros will most likely miss the game vs River due to his call up in the NT Munua has to play Narvaez. I know this a limited team but Munua still isnt making the most of it. He also needs to stop playing Vega and Villalva we need some one with more defensive qualities than attack to play that position.
I know if he does that we will only have Canga on the bench as our CB. I kinda wish we picked up Jose Luis Quinonez when we had the chance just to have him as a back up or at least brought back Campos. But at this point F*ck it.
I know we will face injuries. That Henry Quinonez kid that Esteban bought to be our LB is injured, Salaberry got injured too but I think he should be back soon. Munua needs to try youth players and incorporate them to the team cause we have very little options. Give Jorge Carcelen a chance. Bring up a youth CB a youth LB a youth RB.
That's the problem. I don't think we actually HAVE a CB, LB, and RB at youth division who are capable of playing at this level. If you didn't think there's a worse scenario- THAT would be a worse scenario. Inexperience youth level players who actually aren't prepared to play in Liga's main squad. I'm sure that talent is lacking in those areas even in youth divisions which is why we haven't promoted many players either. I think that is the most disastrous thing ever. Poorly thought out plans for 2017 as far as building this squad goes.