Klinsmann at Hertha Berlin

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  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which is still surprising considering he favored Jermaine Jones and Ale Bedoya who are both extremely vocal and outspoken.

    IMO, it was Klinsman's ego that left Landon at home. He was not happy with the fact that Landon took a sabbatical from the game. Despite Landon helping the US qualify for Brazil, Klinsman couldn't get it in his head that some players, even the elite, need a mental break from the game.

    Klinsman's approach clearly works, it just may not be what's best for every player. Similar to how there isn't one best way for one to navigate their professional career: as a lawyer, manager, executive, etc. The same is true for professional athletes.

    This is why some players are great under one coach, and under another they struggle. Some coaches (managers, executives, etc.) aren't as open to change or evolving. Whether this is the case for JK, none of us would know.
     
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  2. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is it. It would have been a large media circus. That’s why he did it. I didn’t agree with it but I understand why he did. We also did better than anyone expected with or without LD.
     
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  3. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Ale was and is very close to Captain Dempsey and Jones was the best player on the team (and a german-american to boot.....)

    I also think that Klinsmann's opinion of Landon was deeply soured by what happened at Bayern. Klinsmann took a big risk bring Landon into a UCL side and it was part of the reason he got fired. I don't think he ever forgot how ineffective Landon appeared at the highest level of the game and he was embarrassed that one of his high profile counter-cultural moves flopped badly.

    "[Vice-president Karl-Heinz] Rummenigge and [president Uli] Hoeness couldn't understand why Klinsmann had desperately wanted to sign Donovan back in the summer in the first place," a club insider said.

    He was advertised as 'world class' by the manager but obviously couldn't quite cut it at this level. Both the club and the players lost faith in Klinsmann's judgement.

    After the club dismissed the 45-year-old Klinsmann in April 2009, Donovan, without much fault of his own, quickly became a byword for the Swabian's perceived incompetence."
     
  4. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    This is an actual problem though. No license means his co Alex Nouri is coach on Sunday and Klinsi is allowed to sit on the bench only like a kitman. He is not allowed to coach, e.g. stand up and shout something onto the field.
     
  5. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #30 White/Blue_since1860, Jan 16, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2020
    I dont know about the US but in Germany not every Tom, Dick and Harry can be a Bundesliga coach. It's actually a university degree. And it's not a coincidence we have become a coach exporter(Klopp, Tuchel, etc)

    Klinsey and Löw were in the class of 2000

    https://www.dfb.de/sportl-strukture...-uebersicht/lehrgaenge-41-bis-50/44-lehrgang/
     
  6. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I, for one, am shocked that Jurgen somehow forgot to execute against a small, but vital, detail here.

    Who would've thought?
     
  7. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Rumor has it his license ran out in December 2012. 30 units every 3 years means he's owing DFB 60 refresher units.

    Klinsmann sprach davon, dass er bereits Unterlagen an den Verband geschickt habe. Er bekomme zwei, drei Zertifikate, "eins von der Soccer League und noch aus anderen Ländern". Es ist nun die Frage, wie streng und wie schnell der DFB diese Papiere bewertet. Genaue Vorgaben, wie mit Fortbildungen in einem nicht-europäischen Land umzugehen ist, gibt es dem Vernehmen nach nicht. Beim DFB dürfte den Sachbearbeitern aber klar sein, dass diese Prüfung von der Öffentlichkeit genau beobachtet wird.

    He already mailed in papers from MLS and USSF but it is doubtful they will accept non-EU units.

    https://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/juergen-klinsmann-hertha-lizenz-abgelaufen-1.4759993
     
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  8. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
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    He should just show his helicopter license.
     
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  9. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    German soccer is being ridiculous. You're telling your own former national team coach he needs a license to coach? Absolutely insane. Kafka would have a field day with this story. He's not a medical doctor - it's not like has to keep up with the latest research in order to do his job properly. Once licensed, you should be licensed for life.

    Also - if they cared so much about the license, why did the Bundesliga let him coach for 6 weeks without it? And shouldn't they have an easily accessible database that shows who is licensed or not? Why do they need a silly piece of paper from 2002?

    Either make the coaches present their license before starting, or just forget about it.
     
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  10. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The license was no problem as he evidently possessed a valid one during his NT time. At the moment, he doesnt. Or are you telling me you're allowed to drive in the US without a valid license?

    Also: Yes, DFB have been lenient about it from their point of view but now they want to see the forwarded documents can be taken as somehow acceptable or -if not- him making the refresher course and someone else with a valid license has to step in as official coach. That he was allowed to coach up until now can be seen as giving him some leeway possibly just because of his DFB past.
     
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  11. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    It might just be a thing that seems odd to Americans. Most things you need a license for here are matters of safety, like driving or performing medical care, or they are something where you have to be trusted by others, like a financial planner who deals with people's money or certain personal care industries where it is a pretty regular argument if they are really needed. Teachers and child care workers who are trusted with the welfare of children need them. It's pretty rare for a license to be needed just to show competence. I really can't think of an example. An NBA or NHL or NFL coach only has to convince the team owners that he is qualified and they can hire whoever they want. No one would ask a former star player or a guy who has already coached for years to show a license to prove he was still qualified.
     
  12. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Would this not be better in your Klinsmann/Donovan thread? That is what you have been advising every other poster to do.
     
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  13. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    You're right - I should have. my bad
     
  14. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Was Donovan that poor at Munich?
     
  15. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yeah we had that system too and the results were exercise methods from the middle ages and fossils like this dude

    [​IMG]
     
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  16. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Hermann Gerland famously said Donovan was such a bad player the dude wouldnt even play under him in the second team.

    Donovan was brought in with the argument he would be bringing much needed "speed". During the first stress test in winter training camp it turned out only one player was slower than him: 2nd choice goalie Michael Rensing. Instead, a young talent who you might have heard of "Toni Kroos" didnt get to play and was loaned out to Leverkusen.
     
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  17. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It surprises you that the Germans are making a fuss over details?
     
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  18. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Every PE teacher in Germany needs an according license: a sports education degree from university. If you want to run a fitness center you do need a degree in sport science. It ensures quality to make a fuss about details and it kinda makes sense to not let just anyone near "people" if you dont know what you're doing.
     
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  19. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  20. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    shopping spree

     
  21. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Damn! That was unexpected.

    Who knew a club like Hertha had that kinda dough and ambition.
     
  22. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Who’s helping Klinsmann with the tactical stuff as that’s never been his forte?
     
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  23. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe they were recently bought and the new owner has money and wants to turn them into a top side
     
  24. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  25. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC

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