Jozy Altidore can't be stopped in Holland

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by zanedtlab, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. CANADA-AZ

    CANADA-AZ Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Hamilton-Canada
    definitely a move coming--apparently his agent is working on the details
     
  2. BTFOOM

    BTFOOM Member+

    Apr 5, 2004
    MD, USA
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Have to agree 100%. The Dutch league may not be considered to be a 'top' league in Europe, but they play great football and teach their players how to play proper football. EPL is mainly kick and chase with clubs just buying players from abroad.

    I feel this was a bad move by Jozy as Sunderland needs a forward who can hold onto long balls and play with his head. Jozy learned to be a good, true striker. If he wanted to leave, I believe that Ajax would have been a good move as he would have CL and still the Dutch method of how to play good soccer. I worry he will just sit and not get regular time in EPL.
     
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  3. Footy Magoo

    Footy Magoo Audaces fortuna iuvat

    Mar 23, 2009
    ♫ Flugelville
    There is a chance Sunderland will play more like a continental team than an English one due to their coach and the type of midfielders they have. Hopefully this is the case or as BTFOOM said above, this could be a bad move for Jozy.
     
  4. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Finally scored. Against Chelsea. Could also count his wrongly called off goal against Everton a few months ago. Hopefully this is the start of a goal scoring run.
     
  5. CANADA-AZ

    CANADA-AZ Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Hamilton-Canada
    O.K. so how about this one

    NBC buys the EPL rights this year and hopes for a big splash---

    and if we have an American star in there people will have someone to relate to --hey how about the striker for the US national team---I wonder if we could talk Jozy into moving to England--

    now -if we throw enough money at him and at an EPL team to take him ----we will have an immediate draw for our Saturday morning shows

    think about it for a moment folks and it kind of makes sense--- as cynical as I am ---I've seen that stinker team Sunderland almost every week even though they are probably the worst EPL team


    why???
     
  6. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands

    Nothing new. Was done in the past with the Japanese players as well. I once visited AS Roma stadium and saw loads of Japanese tourists coming for Nagata, while he never played. They bought everything from AS Roma. Italians laughed at the Japanese. (Feyenoord) investor wanted to get a Japanese player and pay for it from the raised TV revenue from Japan. Was that not Honda? Not sure. I have no doubt that this was into play concerning Altidore. Though I can imagine an EPL club genuinely being interested in him. Scored a lot in Eredivisie. Then started to score for country. He is pretty big and strong. English (lower) clubs still love that profile. Part of their culture, though it has changed over time.

    Not sure why you are interested in him from a nationality stand point though. I can understand you look at him as he played for your club, but other than that I presume the Canadian NT gets your support.
     
  7. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I live in an area where there are lots of hardcore football fans and lots of people have shirts from their favorite teams (I have Ajax, Barca, Liverpool, Spurs, Dortmund and several different Dutch NT shirts that I wear when I go on my daily 5 mile walk). I can not remember ever seeing anyone wear a Sunderland shirt (in the US it's mostly ManU and Arsenal with a smaller number of Chelsea). I don't think Altidore's move is doing anything at all to improve television viewing. NBC thought that it was just a good investment for a low price and caught Fox (Sky in Europe) who had the rights with their pants down. I actually like NBC as you can stream every EPL match each weekend if you don't like the one that's on TV. Now if we can only get a network to pickup Eredivisie matches!
     
  8. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Dortmund and Spurs really? Are those ex-pats?
     
  9. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I like Dortmund's manager Juergen Klopp and they play interesting football (and they are not arrogant like Bayern). I have a cousin in London who is a long suffering Spurs fan. Pretty simple explanations.
     
  10. aveslacker

    aveslacker Member+

    Ajax
    United States
    Apr 2, 2006
    Near Kamar-Taj
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Plus there are some historical affinities between Ajax and Spurs that are probably strengthened now that guys like Van der Vaart, Vertonghen and Eriksen have passed through White Hart Lane.
     
  11. CANADA-AZ

    CANADA-AZ Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Hamilton-Canada
    Not sure why you are interested in him from a nationality stand point though. I can understand you look at him as he played for your club, but other than that I presume the Canadian NT gets your support.[/quote]


    The Canadian NT has been run from some executive offices for as long as I can remember--things on the field are only a detail ---players who could play for us--run in any direction they can--I think we are presently rated about 165th out of 120 teams

    there is a hidebound upper managerial mentality that has to be totally purged but never is--and watching them is worse than watching Sunderland---they got beat something like 7-0 in a game they had to have in Honduras in their last quest to get to the final round of qualifying

    The USA under Klinsmann are fun to watch and actually surprise the watcher with wins
     
  12. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    My bad. I misread. I read it as you have seen lots of people with those jerseys
     
  13. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Bump.

    What has come of this player? Saw he plays for TFC?

    Should he have stayed in the Netherlands, would it not have mattered or has he chosen the best career path possible?
     
  14. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    he made a bad move to Sunderland. though AZ sure pocketed the $$$. I doubt he'd have stayed in the Eredivise. His wages were too high if I recall, maybe only Ajax could afford him. Though had he moved there at least he'd have CL every year.

    i think he should have gotten a move to a French or Italian team. I think Lazio/Lille were interested but again Sunderland dropped some big money.
     
  15. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    He was overrated and not a very good finisher.
     
  16. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Perhaps he should have joined whatever club Maher went to
     
  17. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    PSV where he would be on the bench behind Luuk de Jong!! LOL
     
  18. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I remember that towards the end of his stay in the Netherlands he did well for country. Is that still the case? Is he playing well for the USA?
     
  19. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Came later, no? Had he made that switch, he would have had 1 year at least to prove something?
     
  20. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I don't pay much attention to what he is doing with his club these days. He was not selected to the US team for the current Copa competition. US defeated Costa Rica handily on Tuesday with Dempsey at striker (he's not one) in a 4-3-3. US have better options than Altidore.
     
  21. aveslacker

    aveslacker Member+

    Ajax
    United States
    Apr 2, 2006
    Near Kamar-Taj
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not really, no. He didn't get selected because he's hurt. If healthy, he's still an effective striker for the U.S.
     
  22. I'm not agreeing with you that he wasnot good. He proved himself as a pretty effective striker in the Europa League against better defenses than the Dutch low in the table club.
     
  23. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    i can't say that I've watched PSV in several years so I've no idea. But i'm sure he'd score when he got his chances
     
  24. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Not really. He scores for the NT in spurts and yet somehow is our 3rd top scorer or maybe 4th. He's destined to be our 2nd top scorer (as he's so young and he plays a lot against CONCACAF nations and literally JK hasn't given many other strikers a chance).

    shame he got injured in the first 20mins of the match against Ghana in the WC. I've a feeling he would have scored in some game.
     
  25. Teak

    Teak Member

    Feyenoord, OKC Energy FC, Real Salt Lake, FC Risa
    Nov 22, 2008
    Grain Belt
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Jozy had the physical attributes to be a good striker, but has under performed IMHO. He should not have gone to Spain where he bounced between Villareal and some other club. I think that most American players should start their careers in MLS and go overseas only if they are good enough to play for a decent squad in the upper half of the good leagues (England, Germany, Spain, Italy). I don't see how going to the Eredivisie is a step up versus MLS. Or Belgium, France, Portugal, etc. for that matter.

    MLS has more equity in terms of competition than do most European leagues. The single-entity structure allows for weak clubs to strengthen themselves and remain competitive. Colorado and Philadelphia were both down last season, and are leading the conferences this season. Some of the best young players from the CONCACAF and South American region are starting to play in MLS and I like their style. (Not the diving, however.)

    So, better competition in MLS = better national team. We can let the Yedlin's and Dempsey's go to England for it makes them into world-class players. But the others would do better to stay home than to play the likes of De Graafschap and Darmstadt 98. With MLS squads they will get the chance to get their butts kicked by Liga MX squads in the annual CONCACAF Champions League, and that will make them better players.
     
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