Jozy Altidore can't be stopped in Holland

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by zanedtlab, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. CANADA-AZ

    CANADA-AZ Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Hamilton-Canada
    Did anyone read the blog comments with the ESPN story on Altidore today----first off I think it's best for him to stay another year-

    --but-there are some wild wild suggestions-

    -Chelsea???--come on

    Tottenham???--these guys will finish 3rd in England this year

    its going to be a mid club---Swansea--or Fulham--or Everton--

    the next one is what's the dollar amount---AZ got him for $3mil--

    so-probably $6mil

    Dembele went for $6.5 and he's no where near what Dembele was 3 years ago---but he's a striker
     
  2. BTV802

    BTV802 BigSoccer Supporter

    AFC Ajax
    Jul 11, 2006
    Vermont
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    I like what they are doing at Swansea. Altidore could be a more direct option behind Michu. Seems like a reasonable option to me.
     
  3. MisterLee

    MisterLee New Member

    Feb 21, 2013
    www.dutchfootball-league.com
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Dembele was not that great at AZ though, very inconsistent. The move to Fulham and the change of his position to center midfield is what made him the player he is today.
     
  4. CANADA-AZ

    CANADA-AZ Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Hamilton-Canada
    I disagree, I thought Dembele was after Schaars their best and most talented player. I wished they had held him one more year

    He was inconsistent and seemed to take coffee breaks on the field but when he had the ball he got involved and he was dangerous--true he should have been at midfield and sitting on the wing probably hurt his development but Az had a pretty good midfield then
     
  5. he so scrumptiouz

    Jun 1, 2006
    amsterdam
    Jozy is far more productive than Dembele ever was though. It was only at Fulham and with Jol where he found his true role on the pitch as a midfielder. While at AZ we all thought he was a forward, who-just-didn't-score-much-but-put-up-a-lot-of-work-and-held-up-the-ball-well.
     
  6. CANADA-AZ

    CANADA-AZ Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Hamilton-Canada
    More productive in scoring--no doubt--but we had El Hambone as our main striker back them and Dembele was on the outside

    Dembele only had one good scoring year but everyone must have seen him as a pretty good player or he would not have been sold for the big $$ AZ got for him from Fulham

    Dembele left AZ at about the same age Jozy is now---I may be wrong but I don't see Jozy maturing like Dembele has over the last 3 years and becoming a top EPL player on a top team
     
  7. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    1 more season in Eredivisie might be useful but you just don't see very talented top3/4 potential strikers staying very long in Holland. If you score say 20 goals a season for 3 years in a league, you have mastered that level. Either head to a bigger league or to the biggest club in the league. Otherwise what else is there?
     
  8. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    His upcoming transfer whether this summer or the next will be 1 of the most significant transfers in US Soccer history. Even more so than Bradley to Roma which was weeks and weeks of anticipation.
     
  9. BTV802

    BTV802 BigSoccer Supporter

    AFC Ajax
    Jul 11, 2006
    Vermont
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    I have a lot to say about this comment but don't have the time. What I will say is that Huntelaar and Suarez both had three 20+ goal seasons at Ajax. Both of them had multiple 30+ goal seasons in that time. Their careers seem to be doing just fine after having stuck around for more than good season.
     
  10. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    They headed to bigger clubs in Holland once their numbers kept going up. I don't know exactly why both hung around for as long as they did, Huntelaar especially, as he could have been scoring in Germany back in 2007 rather than failed time at Madrid/Milan.
     
  11. CANADA-AZ

    CANADA-AZ Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Hamilton-Canada
    Both of you make good points---which brings up--

    How many goals would he have if he was with PSV or Ajax right now with a Lens or Narsingh on a wing and and Mertens to help or an Ericksen to feed him

    and would he look better than he does now?

    He's scored just under half the AZ goals 16-34--and like I said earlier--gets a lot of attention from opposition players becaue if you stop Altidore--you basically stop AZ

    From all the games I've seen this year Bony is the best most dangerous striker--Pelle has been a surprise as well
     
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  12. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    I'd honestly guess Jozy would score less. He's the main man a AZ as you said. At PSV he'd have several players capable of scoring and perhaps not even passing to him. That being said I can imagine he would have way more assists at those type clubs.

    Is there anyone on the fanforums for AZ? I wonder what fans are thinking about his potential move? Do they feel satisfied with the Iceman?
     
  13. MisterLee

    MisterLee New Member

    Feb 21, 2013
    www.dutchfootball-league.com
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    As a Dutchman, not particularly an AZ supporter, I can tell that most people are suprised of Altidore's development. In his first season he was very inconsistent and did not manage to impress the Dutch football supporters. In general, they saw him as a big athletic target man with no football skills. The second season, as mentioned before, was quite suprising. Altidore is carrying the team, by scoring important goals. His general football technique has developed tremendously, and Dutch media is quite lyrical about the American. However no transfer rumours has been spotted yet.
     
  14. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Altidore "appears" to be carrying the team but the reality is that AZ is having problems because of all the players who were lost during the past two years because they needed the money. His football skills have marginally improved but he's still more of an Alves scorer as opposed to Suarez or Huntelaar. He will be a decent player for a mid-table EPL team but that's about it. Maybe AZ get €6-8M for him, anymore than that would be great and indicate that the acquiring team is wildly overpaying.
     
  15. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    NAC apparently was not troubled at all by Jozy today!:D
     
  16. CANADA-AZ

    CANADA-AZ Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Hamilton-Canada
    AZ laid another stinker egg yesterday--they almost always start slow and play from behind

    They did not score so Jozy was part of their problem--but games like that one have been the norm this year--
     
  17. CANADA-AZ

    CANADA-AZ Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Hamilton-Canada
    2 more for Jozy last night--great interview afterwards
     
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  18. MisterLee

    MisterLee New Member

    Feb 21, 2013
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    AFC Ajax
    Jozy Altidore's second goal was magnificent :)
     
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  19. s7kru

    s7kru Red Card

    Dec 13, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Jozy played a great match, though his ''assist'' shouldn't be allowed, since he touched it with his hand.
     
  20. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    He was non-existent in the first half and any school boy could have scored on the chip shot in extra time, nothing special about that.
     
  21. CANADA-AZ

    CANADA-AZ Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Hamilton-Canada
    What Jozy did yesterday was almost assure AZ plays in Europe next year--in spite of their tough season

    that should be worth a bit of retrospective respect and conditional value to the team forhis efforts for AZ

    Jozy got the goals--Ajax got the sour grapes

    if you think that was a school boy play and he did nothing----well what was Ajax--with their horrible shooting and general clowning around out there

    Ajax is at home playing a 12th place team--they sit half the squad out of arrogance and look like liquid crap and become observers and watch as late in the game as they get their teeth kicked in

    So grumble away but please don't lesson what Jozy did yesterday

    grumble away believe what you like but the final was 0-3

    As I've said many times to the victor go the spoils and the winners write history--
     
  22. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    The goal scoring American. I think his time at AZ just goes to show you that Dutch coaching is a big plus. The league is ranked 8th in Europe which is pretty outstanding and though everyone seems able to score there, it has produced some of the greatest attackers in the world. I'd love to see Agudelo, McInerney and future strikers moving to Holland to develop their touch least of all.
     
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  23. MisterLee

    MisterLee New Member

    Feb 21, 2013
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    AFC Ajax
    Couldn't agree more with you Louisana! The Dutch league alongside with the Portuguese League are the perfect place for youngster to mature and learn real football.
     
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  24. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    This is the league MLS needs to be working with and trying to emulate to a degree.
     
  25. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    The only way that happens is for the good MLS players to move abroad as soon as possible. They will never improve as long as they stay in here. I see this with our young DC United players and it's good that Najar has moved on to Anderlecht.
     
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