Jay Heaps after 5 years: still the right guy for the job?

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Should Heaps still be the coach for the 2017 Revs?

  1. Yes

    3 vote(s)
    5.1%
  2. No

    48 vote(s)
    81.4%
  3. Yes - but on a short leash.

    8 vote(s)
    13.6%
  1. Revs in 2010

    Revs in 2010 Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
    Roanoke, VA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, but Grady was a truly lovable character. Can't say that of Bilello.
     
  2. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was thinking of Fred's sidekick, Grady, from Sanford & Son. With that theme in mind, if Bilello says one more stupid thing, "Imma give you one-a these, cross yo' lip!"
     
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  3. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #128 RevsLiverpool, Jun 27, 2017
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    So we're 17 games into the 34 game 2017 regular season. Let's take a look at the standings to see if anything has changed and then project out the rest of the year.

    The revs are a very mediocre 5-7-5 with 20 points through 17 games, good for a 1.18 ppg average. In the east, only DC has a worse ppg (with 1 fewer game played), though out west there are 4 teams with worse ppg - including the defending champion Sounders (granted, by .001).

    Earning points at the same rate in the second h, the revs will finish at a mediocre 10-14-10, good for 40 points - not enough to make the playoffs. This accounts for the annual swoon and the annual playoff push which usually is a brief winning streak that either culminates in a sigh of relief or the agony being "this close" to making the playoffs.

    In terms of GF/GA, the revs have scored 27, conceded 25 sitting at +2 GD. W dustould not be shocked if they doubled those numbers and finished +2 when the dust has settled at the end of the year. Of course, this would be an improvement on last season which saw the revs miss the playoffs based on goal difference - yay, progress.

    They fall within the trend this year of teams having dominant home form and then woeful road form, with a similar record as Houston in this regard -one of four winless road teams.

    Tying back to Heaps, I think it's almost a certainty he will be gone after this season. Even the Krafts can only stand mediocrity for so long. They could simply not renew his contract and hire someone else, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.
     
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  4. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    Couldn't watch the game since I was driving so listened on the radio to Brad and Paul.

    Brad, without even realizing it IMO, basically called out Heaps as not being able to fix the decision making of his team. Nice job, Brad!

    The post-game wrap-up, Hardy basically called out Heaps again about the "philosophical problems" that seem to be plaguing the Revs and asked Clyde Simms what he thought. Simms evaded the question, but by answering the way he did, again pointed to Heaps as a big part of the problem.
     
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  5. NFLPatriot

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    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to the data below, the typical summer swoon under Heaps lasts about 2 months:

    Summer swoons - Heaps years
    2017: 0-4-0 (0 pts) 6/17 to ?
    2016: 2-8-2 (8 pts) 6/25 to 8/28 , or 0-5-1 7/31 to 8/28
    2015: 1-7-2 (5 pts) 5/20 to 7/11
    2014: 0-8-0 (0 pts) 5/31 to 7/26
    2013: 3-5-2 (11 pts) 6/8 to 8/10
    2012: 0-7-3 (3 pts) 7/14 to 9/1
     
  6. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is thing being allowed to continue?
     
  7. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because traditions are important.
     
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  8. Revs in 2010

    Revs in 2010 Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
    Roanoke, VA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Maybe we should bring in Tevya for the Front Office:eek:
     
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  9. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We've had near annual summer swoons under Rongen, Clavijo, and Nicol. It's as much a part of Revs tradition as Slyde.
     
  10. BERich

    BERich Member+

    Feb 3, 2012
    New England
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like how 2 of the top 3 rated field players in last weekend's US match were Revs. Throw in the fact that Watson, Koffie, and Delamea were away representing their country in international matches. And one would think, the Revs must have some team with 5 international players on the roster. Nope, they are in last place. Could coaching be an issue???
     
  11. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
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    Although I think Lazar Wolf has the keener eye....;)
     
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  12. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think even the Stapleton and Zenga teams had it too
     
  13. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's true, I forgot to include Zenga. I intentionally left out Stapleton though because that whole season was a swoon.
     
  14. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True but I think they were even worse under Rongen and Zenga
     
  15. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I'm still holding to this position. If they hang this miserable season on Heaps and Burns somehow survives, nothing much is going to change. This front office needs to be cleaned out like Hercules did with the Aegean stables. In fact, a new team president to hold everyone's feet to the fire might be the best place to start.
     
  16. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
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  17. Brian in Boston

    Brian in Boston Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    MA & CA, USA
    This, this, a thousand times... THIS!!!

    Bilello, Burns AND Heaps must all be shown the door. The New England Revolution front-office brain-trust is brain-dead. Who among "The Three Stooges" of the Kraft Group, based upon their tenure with the Revolution, could secure their current position with any other franchise in Major League Soccer? Does anyone truly believe that another MLS organization would consider any of these chronic underachievers a top candidate for a job elsewhere in the league? Hell, given their track-records in Foxboro, Bilello, Burns and Heaps would be hard-pressed to get a first-rate USL side to take a flyer on them.

    Enough with rewarding abject incompetence!!! Fire the lot of them!!!
     
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  18. eric_appleby

    eric_appleby Member+

    Jun 11, 1999
    Down East
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When is his contract up? The Krafts might wait until then, simply out of laziness. Isn't that what they did with Nicol?
     
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  19. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's up at the end of this year IIRC.
     
  20. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who do we want as a replacement for Heaps?
     
  21. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    New blood. Someone from outside the organization, but familiarity with the US system. I'm not sure who would want the job, but we can't promote from within again, even if that torpedoes nice guys like Paul or Carlos.
     
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  22. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Would you take Stevie N back?
     
  23. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. He'd probably improve our defensive discipline, but our offense would lose its moments of brilliance, as fleeting as those moments have been. Let's not forget that Steve was the reason Jay was seen as an improvement to the team. No, new blood means totally new. No Ralston, no Rongen, no Nicol. I'd even be wary of Savarese or bit players. Outside perspective, all the way.
     
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  24. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree although bringing a coach in from outside MLS is risky.
    Do you have anyone in mind?
     
  25. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't, though I'm not saying we need someone outside MLS, just outside the Revs' culture. I think I'd be happiest with someone in the Caleb Porter mold, someone who's molded college players and is looking to make the jump to the pros. Ideally, we'd end up with a Revs' Brad Stevens. But without a Revs' Danny Ainge (which Burns certainly ain't), that's unlikely to happen.
     

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