Is OKC BACK on the NASL Expansion map?

Discussion in 'Rayo OKC' started by ManuSooner, Aug 20, 2015.

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  1. chungachanga

    chungachanga Member

    Dec 12, 2011
    That's really impressive, for a football club in Europe to be able to make 7.3 mil profit off a 29.3 mil turnover.

    The Glasgow Rangers should get this guy as a consultant.
     
  2. soccerokc

    soccerokc New Member

    Nov 14, 2015
    That link was the club's 'budget,' not the actual financials.
     
  3. soccerokc

    soccerokc New Member

    Nov 14, 2015
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  4. chungachanga

    chungachanga Member

    Dec 12, 2011
    Can someone who speaks spanish tell me which budget line represents gate income? Is it the 'abonados y socios' line at 1.685.000?

    From what I understand, 18 mil of their 29 mil revenue is from TV, 3.6 mil from player sales, 2.9 for advertising and either 1.6 or 0.9 mil from gate income? I don't quite understand those first two budget lines.

    Either way, it's interesting to see a budget of a mid-table Spanish team, i've never seen one of those before. Such an unusual budget. If I understood those 3 lines correctly, 85ish % of revenue from TV, player sales and advertising, i.e. they barely rely on their local fans.
     
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  5. Sooner Magic

    Sooner Magic New Member

    Nov 17, 2015
    'abonados y socios' I believe means subscriber and partners. Subscribers are season ticket holders. Partner may potentially be season ticket holders who contribute additionally into the club.

    Partners may be like charter members within country clubs here in the states -- they pay dues for social privileges.
     
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  6. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
    That's it, in a 15 K stadium selling (some) season tickets for only 100 euros
     
  7. Coyote-Trickster

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's much in line with more US sports than it is with MLS.

    Ticket revenue for an NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB game wouldn't cover the day's salary on the field for players / coaching / staff - it's the TV revenue / merchandising / sponsorship / licensing / PSL's / luxury box leases that pay the salaries
     
  8. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're exactly right. Rayo benefits from the TV revenue that Barca/Real Madrid bring them. Let's not sugar coat it ... their revenue is based on being in La Liga and their ability to stay there for 5 consecutive years has got them out of bankruptcy. As long as they can stay in La Liga, they'll likely "make money". The longer they're able to stay there the more money they'll be able to use in stadium upgrades and other things. If they drop ... they'll likely have issues at Rayo AND OKC ... so I guess Rayo OKC fans are now fans of Rayo and are rooting for them to stay in La Liga!
     
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  9. chungachanga

    chungachanga Member

    Dec 12, 2011
    It's definitely the direct opposite of MLS, but it's also extreme even compared to NFL, not to mention the other more gate focused US sports

    NY Yankees: 53% of total revenue from gate receipts
    Boston Bruins: 41%
    LA Lakers: 32.7%
    Green Bay Packers: 18.7%
    Rayo Vallecano: 5.7% (if I understand that budget correctly; using the 1.685 mil line)

    Not surprising, given stadium condition. Probably not much F&B revenue there either (I don't see a separate line for those in that budget -- maybe it goes to municipality given the stadium is municipality owned?).

    I wonder if the owner just doesn't believe that the neighbourhood can give him a much higher gate income in a better, privately owned stadium. Either way, he seems to be making money, so good for him, maybe not so good for fans.

    That TV share should go up even more significantly for lower end La Liga teams over the next couple decades, compared to gate receipts, concessions, merchandize and other local income. Real's and Barca's TV revenue is frozen for the foreseeable future, in order to give more money to these wee teams. Might be even less impetus to invest into spectator experience.

    I'd be really curious to see budgets of other below average La Liga teams, like Malaga, Getafe and such. With no Spanish though, I wouldn't be able to find them.
     
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  10. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
    Rayo Vallecano has a lot of experience avoiding relegation, always interesting the moment the USSF brings in promotion and relegation :D
     
  11. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    668808729127579649 is not a valid tweet id
     
  12. ManuSooner

    ManuSooner Member+

    Nov 15, 2007
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've spoken with some folks who say that a giant monster will attack the West Coast, too.
    I'VE spoken with "some folks" too. One of whom is part of the ownership group of Rayo and they are very excited about the upcoming season.
    Way to put out an unsubstantiated tweet as some kind of news, dillweed...
     
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  13. MLSinSTL

    MLSinSTL Member+

    Mar 20, 2009
    Ohio - near a city
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ManuSooner, if this giant monster attacks the West Coast, will it make it all the way to OKC? Because this pending monster attack may actually cause the team to fall apart by March if it is not held at bay on the West Coast. Just saying...
     
  14. ManuSooner

    ManuSooner Member+

    Nov 15, 2007
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IDK, maybe we need to get Wes@MnNiceFC to dig into it
     
  15. jatrain

    jatrain Member

    Jun 29, 2013
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Considering all the incorrect "inside" info about OKCFC you've posted from your unnamed "sources" over the last couple of years, should you really be calling out anybody else's?
     
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  16. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought this when I read his statements as well.

    I also thought ... I bet the guys at Enron probably were excited right up until the point where they weren't! The guys in the original NASL were probably really excited too, until it collapses ... if you're not excited, you'd not put money on the line about it ... but excited doesn't mean it's going to be a success either.
     
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  17. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really? Says the dude who's inside sources are always wrong, lol. At least this guy is reliable among the community.
     
  18. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To quote Luke Skywalker, "I have a bad feeling about this."
     
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  19. Prosoccercdn

    Prosoccercdn Member+

    Aug 6, 2011
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    @mnnicefc's rumor shot down by Kartik :

     
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  20. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kartik is about as unreliable as they come. Not sure why you guys keep using him as a source.
     
  21. ManuSooner

    ManuSooner Member+

    Nov 15, 2007
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because in this instance he may actually be right
     
  22. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very doubtful.
     
  23. mng146

    mng146 Member

    Jul 19, 2011
    Rochester, NY
    Because Kartik tells them what they want to hear? ;)
     
  24. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    So we have one person, from Minnesota, who says he has third hand information say the sky is falling. Then we have someone, from OKC, who claims to have first hand information say everything is all good. Now who will we trust? Well board consensus seems to be the guy from Minnesota with third hand information.
     
  25. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't really care, but said guy from OKC is saying it's someone within the ownership group/stakeholders (or at least he leads you to believe that) ... no shit they're going to say everything is sunshine and rainbows ... they've pumped him full of that crap for 2+ years ... why would they tell a fan anything different? That being said ... his very biased point of view may in fact be right ... I'm not saying it's not by any stretch. I also have no reason to believe the guy from Minnesota, although it's not like he has any previous biased views against the NASL so there's no reason for him to just feed the trolls in that way either.
     
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