Is Bayern Munich worlds best club team?

Discussion in 'BigSoccer Polls' started by Deutscher Meister, Jan 15, 2014.

  1. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    You obviously are anti-Barca if you say they "always" get the calls their way. Considering they had a good goal against Man City wiped-off for "offside".
     
  2. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    6 to 9 per cent more, not "much more".

    980 goals scored in La Liga in 2004-5 ("strong era" according to you) and 1050 goals scored in 2011-2012 (when Messi scored 50 league goals and Ronaldo scored 46).
     
  3. puertorricane

    puertorricane Red Card

    Feb 4, 2012
    Carolina PR
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    No it doesnt balance itself out but you wouldnt understand because you have those barca colored glasses.



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  4. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    EXACTLY

    Messi and CR7 inherit the "EXTRA GOALS" from that difference - offered by lower table teams in this WEAK era
     
  5. Rana catesbeiana

    Mar 11, 2008
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Lol ok keep believing.
     
  6. FC PORTO BGC

    FC PORTO BGC Member

    Jul 26, 2010
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Yes... In this moment Bayern is the best Club in Europe and World.
     
  7. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    But only 6 to 9 per cent more. Therefore not enough to discredit Messi's and Ronaldo's goal scoring achievements in La Liga.

    Also note: when a league becomes higher scoring it does not necessarily mean that it got weaker. You seem to be implying that there is a direct relationship there when there simply isn't.
     
  8. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    they do not make up a difference of 80 goals. You have to think about it logically, which is.. previous strikers for both teams, and previous yearly goal tallys and see the difference from that.

    out of the 96 goals they likely added about 30 to the actual goal count difference, if both strikers scored 25-30 goals each and their respective teams scored 10-15 goals more for the season, that means Messi / Ronaldo would only add the 30 goals not a full 96

    But I really haven't looked at the numbers. Just saying that's the way it should be seen.
     
  9. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    NO you (guys) have to THINK logically and RESEARCH more facts and stats OK?

    1- Why they become so normal outside their club team (or outside Liga)?
    2- If you EVER did research or know the FACT:
    2.1- Both Barca and Real scored much more than before with many games (meaningless ) of 4-6goals different then before
    2.2- >30% of Messi and CR7 goals came from those meaningless 4-6goals thrashing games

    DO THE MATH for the difference
     
  10. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    That's kind of what I'm getting at, you're still looking the difference in goals over the course of the year in la liga to be between 20-30 goals, because of them, not the full 90
     
  11. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    you never get that huh?
    First where you got that 20-30goals and where you got 90goals from? That's ridiculous. You took one of Messi best goals WHOLE CALENDAR season and chose the least goals difference IN THE LIGA ONLY as example? how clueless and naive way to do stats.
    So the question is how many seasons Messi scored 90? 1
    how many season the different goals is less than 30? ZERO

    Let me tell you, in average of 4 years
    early 2000's - Barca scored 75goals season
    In last 4 years they scored 105goals season
    Hence the difference is 35goals (in average of 4 sesaons OK)?

    Now do the same for Messi's goals *liga only in average of 4 seasons: ~40goals season ....
    Hence the difference of 35goals/season is WAY MORE Than ENOUGH to cover Messi 10-15goals (higher than average Top scorer in early 2000 = 25goals)
     
  12. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    CORRECTION:
    LIGA ONLY: Average 4years in early 2000: Barca score 70goals/season - hence the difference is 35goals (in last 4 seasons)
     
  13. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    No you actually didn't read all of my posts.

    But here I'll quote it for you. have fun with the math part.
    Even put it bold for you.
     
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  14. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Thanks for clarification ... :thumbsup:
     
  15. BigBro

    BigBro New Member

    Dec 23, 2013
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Bayern Munich are doing well. Bayern munich is right now stronger than Barca. Maybe it's the best team.
    but i think the balance of power in world football is still in Spain. More higher level teams More exciting.
     
  16. santi1196

    santi1196 New Member

    Mar 17, 2014
    Club:
    CA San Lorenzo de Almagro
  17. wangfeng

    wangfeng Member

    Mar 21, 2014
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Best players in the Bundesliga, are all in Bayern Munich, there are a number of other League teams shared the best players
     
  18. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    not all... what about Lewandowski, Reus, Kruse, Hummels, Diego , Farfan ... ?
     
  19. RobTheFool

    RobTheFool Member+

    Apr 19, 2008
    London, England
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    IMO

    1. Bayern Munich
    2. Barcelona
    3. Real Madrid
    4. Manchester City
    5. Chelsea
    6. PSG
    7. Atletico
    8. Dortmund

    Germany has one good team.. Dortmund are still good but were a bit of a one season wonder. Could have gone on to be great, but they have a low budget and have to sell players every season.. most of them getting picked up by Bayern. It's impossible for them to succeed.

    There's a bit of a gap after place 3 and 4 IMO.
     
  20. puertorricane

    puertorricane Red Card

    Feb 4, 2012
    Carolina PR
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    LOL there's a big gap after fourth you say yet your seventh team is leading your second and third team on their own league.


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  21. Bayu Rizaldhan Rayes

    Apr 7, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I can't say it is the best forever, I think it is the best in 2013, and we still have to wait for this year..
     
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  22. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    Well, they are the current undisputed champions of the world. If Madrid beats them in the UCL semis, BM are definitely no longer best in the world. Would Madrid be the new best? Maybe from a boxing point of view, if you want to see it that way. Kinda makes it exciting.

    BM-RM is definitely going to be an epic heavyweight fight. One of the most epic club football ties in history, tbf. It rarely ever gets bigger than this.
     
  23. rafalthepol

    rafalthepol New Member

    May 12, 2014
    1.Real madrid
    2.Bayern munich
    3.Barcelona
    4.Atheltico Madrid
    5.Chelsea
    6.BVB
    7.Manchester city
    8.Juventus
    9.PSG
    10.Liverpool
     
  24. SoccFan35

    SoccFan35 Member

    May 18, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago
    So you have Real over the two teams it could not beat in La Liga and Chelsea over the team it lost its league title to.
    I think Atletico deserve to be second on the list at the moment, Real could certainly argue to be over Barcelona. Chelsea I feel is more potential right now than legitimate TOp 5 team.
     
  25. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Nothing against you, but this is the most useless comment ever..

    Anybody can see who wins and loses a tournament after it has happened, and in tournaments, not always the best team wins..

    So come up with an opinion not based on results and more on your actual opinion, which is what we actually want to hear, anybody can also watch the game and then read about the results.

    The best team will not win every time.
     

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