Pre-match: International Friendly: USA vs Mexico; September 6th

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  1. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Fire Crown 4 Life (or until they change it again)
    Jan 9, 2004
    Soldier Field Media Deck. First Row.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Rumor from the twitterverse is game #2 will be Uruguay in St. Louis.
     
  2. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Fire Crown 4 Life (or until they change it again)
    Jan 9, 2004
    Soldier Field Media Deck. First Row.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I paid like 35-40 to see them at Toyota Park last summer, though lower bowl endline seats were 20. However, I anticipate that these post-world cup games are going to be similarly high.
     
  3. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So you’re good with Omar, Lovitz, Roldan, DJordje, Zardes...etc?
     
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  4. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Fire Crown 4 Life (or until they change it again)
    Jan 9, 2004
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    Plus, capping Dest won't actually tie him.
     
  5. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Depends on what game he gets capped. Olympic qualifying might though I doubt he would be released for that.
     
  6. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    Mind you, my Dynamo were down to 10 men within 6' and had a nightmare, but I was impressed with Hyndman and Miles Robinson on Atlanta.
     
  7. juvechelsea

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    Feb 15, 2006
    #57 juvechelsea, Jul 19, 2019
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    I'd rather cap Robinson and go in the direction of people playing defense.

    instead of starting mids as defenders and defenders for attacking, start defenders who defend and free up the mids to be attackers.
     
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  8. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    does metlife mean grass over carpet again? are we going to play on the type of field we compete on?
     
  9. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You do know Dest plays LB and RB for Ajax not LM or RM right.
     
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  10. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

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    Jan 9, 2004
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    Philadelphia Union
    I think he could still one time switch out.
     
  11. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would not have scheduled Mexico again so soon for a time when I wouldn’t call in a lot of our A players...

    Players I’d omit:
    GK Steffen
    FB Dest, Chandler, Ream, Lovitz, Gloster, Gutman, A. Robinson
    CB Miazga, Carter-Vickers, Gonzalez, Richards, Palmer-Brown
    MF Adams, Bradley, Trapp, Mendez, Reyna
    FW Weah, Pulisic, Sargent, Soto, Morris, Amo, Lewis, Baird, Gyau, Llanez, Konrad Sabbi, Tillman, Zardes, Novakovich, Wood, Shelton, Wright, Boyd

    Players I’d call in...
    GK Horvath, Johnson, Miller
    RB Yedlin, Cannon
    CB Brooks, Long, Zimmerman, M. Robinson
    LB Lima, Alvarado
    DM Morales, McKennie
    M8 Roldan, Nagbe
    10 Pomykal, Lletget
    RW Arriola, Toye
    FW Altidore, Ebobisse
    LW Holmes, Green

    Alternates/Close cuts:
    GK Guzan, Gonzalez
    DF M. Robinson, Thompson
    MF Servania, Canouse, Mihailovic, Acosta, Delgado, Bassett, Yuiell, Aaronson
    FW Wooten, Vasquez

    Starting XI:
    Holmes———Altidore———Arriola
    ————Lletget——-Nagbe———-
    —————(CPT)McKennie————
    Lima———————————-Yedlin
    ————-Brooks——-Long————
    ———————Horvath—————-

    Bench:
    -Johnson
    -Cannon (Yedlin) 70
    -Zimmerman
    -Morales (Holmes) 46.... pushed to DM and change in formation 41212
    -Roldan (Nagbe) 60
    -Pomykal (Lletget) 70
    -Toye (Arriola) 80
     
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  12. FormerNo10

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    RP Leipzig
    United States
    Dec 13, 2018
    Costa Rica
    Hell no. It's just that I have lost most of all my faith in Egg selecting the type of players that excite me as a fan. I would also add Morris and Trapp to your list.
     
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  13. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it depends on what level and what kind of match. Anything U20 and below doesn't permanently tie you to one country and friendlies even as an adult don't tie you. I think playing in an official U23 or full match means you are tied to that country for life.
     
  14. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Incorrect. Tony Taylor participated in a qualifier for The London Olympics for The US, yet was still able to file a switch to Panama.

    Only non friendlies at the senior level cap tie someone
     
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  15. Pegasus

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    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting. Always learn new stuff here.
     
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  16. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
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    Mar 6, 2002
    Not true. Official youth games can cap tie you because you can only make the one time switch if you have the nationality of that country when you play that official game.
     
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  17. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you can still make a switch I wouldn’t call it cap tied.
     
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  18. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
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    Mar 6, 2002
    You could only make a switch if you have that nationality and are eligible at that time which not many people have.
     
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  19. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just because it’s rarer doesn’t change a thing. Their not cap tied. Until you have no options to move.
     
  20. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
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    Mar 6, 2002
    Ask Ruben Sambueza, Rogelio Funes Mori or Diego Fagundez what option they have. The statement "ONLY non friendlies at the senior level cap tie someone" is not true.
     
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  21. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    That is not how it is used though. Was Josh Sargent, "cap tied" when he was born in St. Louis? I guess, but we don't talk about single nationals as being cap tied by a cap. We only use the phrase in relation to dual nationals who are dual nationals at the time.

    A dual national can be provisionally cap tied by a youth tournament. But they can't be "cap tied", i.e. permanently cap tied.

    You cannot make any kind of switch once you have played official FIFA competitive games at the senior level.
     
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  22. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ask Jermaine Jones about it. If you can still file a 1 time switch you’re not cap tied. End of story.
     
  23. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
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    Mar 6, 2002

    Well being born in St Louis didn't cap tie him because had he not played for the NT, he could still play for any NT provided he meet the FIFA requirements. And if he didn't have any nationality, it would be official youth tournaments that cap tied him to the US. Regardless it still makes this:

    Not a true statement.

    Jermaine Jones doesn't change that fact that all those 3 players were cap tied by Youth tournaments and that the statement "Only non friendlies at the senior level cap tie someone" is WRONG.
     
  24. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Those players weren’t duel nationals. They gained citizenship later in life but already featured for National team programs. This isn’t club you don’t get to pick a nationality and play. They may have gained citizenship at a later point but there has to be regulation so countries don’t just buy and keep top young players and build a program that way. If they were duel nationals it wouldn’t be a thing.
     
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  25. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We're splitting hairs here.

    A poster thought Olympic qualifiers capped someone for life, he was incorrect. I pointed out that only senior team matches that aren't friendlies do that. I did leave off the preliminary cap tied part of the rule, because we were talking about Sergino Dest. He's already been preliminary tied, so whether he gets an Olympic callup or not isn't relevant.
     

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