Interesting Best XI

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  1. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Jun 11, 2012
    The homies
    1 Plánička
    2 Roberto Carlos
    3 Alves
    4 Thon
    5 Chumpitaz
    6 Monti
    7 Garrincha
    8 Davids
    9 Romario
    10 Sivori
    11 Hagi
     
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  2. world soccer magazines

    Oct 31, 2016
    #1227 world soccer magazines, Mar 5, 2018
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2018
    Hagi is a bit too big, as is Planicka and Alves. Revised:

    Below 5'8 XI:
    ----------------------------Campos
    Lahm----Chumpitaz----De Vecchi--Carlos
    ---------------------Xavi----------Giles
    ------------------------Maradona-
    ----------Garrincha----------------------Messi
    ---------------------------Romario

    Subs: Thon, Davids, Monti, Zola, Benarrivo, Lizerazu, Signori, Scholes, Deschamps, Makelele, Verratti, Miccoli, Iniesta, Sivori, Aimar, Ortega, Di Natale, Ribery

    The above squad would take some beating.

    A lot of people think football is a big man's game. Someone should make an above 6-foot or 5'11 team and it would be interesting to compare. Maybe I'll do it if I get time.

    Also, I was going to add Paul Parker, English full-back, but I honestly can't remember if he was really that good.
     
  3. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Jun 11, 2012
    You're right about Hagi but the other 2 are both 5'7.5.
    This was the last time I blindly copy others' good looking suggestions.
    Let's replace Hagi with Ribery.

    For the tall version I suggest setting the minimum at 6'3 or 190 in cm.
     
  4. world soccer magazines

    Oct 31, 2016
    #1229 world soccer magazines, Mar 5, 2018
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2018
    Planicka is 5'8 according to wiki, but never mind. Here's an interesting article about short goalies: https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Top-10-Shortest-Professional-Goalkeepers

    I don't know if there are enough great players at 6'3 or over to compete with the below 5'8 team.

    Over 6 foot XI:
    -------------------------------Kahn
    Thuram----Nesta----------------Maldini------Krol
    ---------------------Gullit---------Viera
    C. Ronaldo--------------Kaka-------------Henry
    -------------------------Van Basten
    Subs: Buffon, Drogba, Zlatan, Hierro, Ballack, Zidane, Batistuta, Redondo, Rikjaard, Bale, Peters, Cuelemans

    Others: Desailly, Schmeichel, Cantona, Onopko, D.Baggio, Zoff, Banks, Boksic, Grosso, Goikoetxea, T.Muller, Schweinsteiger, Casillas, Van Der Sar, Van Persie, Vidic, Lewandowski, Hamsik, Adams, Berbatov, Ramos, Cavani, Metzhelder, Toni, Finidi George, Wilmots, Effenberg, Rai, Crespo, Busquets, Pepe, Y.Toure, Kanu,

    Below 5'8 XI:
    ----------------------------Planicka
    Lahm----Chumpitaz----De Vecchi--Carlos
    ---------------------Xavi----------Giles
    ------------------------Maradona-
    ----------Garrincha----------------------Messi
    ---------------------------Puskas

    Subs: Thon, Tigana, Monti, Czibor, D.Alves, Lizerazu, Sivori, Scholes, Giresse, Iniesta, Campos, Romario

    Others: Zola, Davids, Deschamps, Makelele, Verratti, Miccoli, Signori, Aimar, Ortega, Di Natale, Ribery, Alba, Sergi, Littbarski, Saviola, Giuly, Juninho Paulista, Stiles, A. Sanchez, D.Silva, Mata, Ferrer, Benarrivo
     
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    Oct 31, 2016
    I wanna replace Kaka with Rivaldo in over 6 foot XI. Move Kaka to bench in place of Drogba.

    Rivellino and Zico are other options for below 5'8 XI. I didn't see them play so don't know how they'd fit in.
     
  6. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Giles and Xavi (very different periods ofc) had a bit of the same role and similar main strengths. They were both passers. Bremner was the enforcer and two-pay player in Giles his team.

    It is a bit like putting Scholes next to Xavi. That would duplicate the role.

    I agree Giles was one of the best of his time, but he was only included in the Ballon d'Or once, on 18th with one point. Several in that list (Tigana, Deschamps, Davids etc.) have done much better.
     
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  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Jimmy Johnsotne coukd understudy Garrincha for the short team.
     
  8. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    It might be interesting to add an 'average (height)/short XI' and an 'average/tall XI' into the mix and compare the 4 teams and squads.

    Say 5 ft 8 to 5 ft 10 for average/short, and 5 ft 11 to 6 ft 1 for average/tall.

    Without spending time trying to check right now, taking 12 generally accepted all-time greats (I'll leave Messi as well as Cristiano off but we know where they fit, likewise Zidane and the other Ronaldo):
    Pele - average/short
    Cruyff - average/tall
    Maradona - short
    Platini - average/short(?)
    Di Stefano - average/short
    Beckenbauer - average(?)/tall
    Van Basten - tall
    Best - average(?)/short
    Puskas - short(?)
    Eusebio - average/short
    Charlton - average/tall
    Zico - short

    So some all-timers available to mould the team around in each case, and where there is a surplus then to keep the formations 'normal' certain players would need to be on the bench anyway (Zico I suppose for one).
     
  9. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    If it was just 5'8 to 5'9 for average/short, and 5'10 to 5'11 for average/tall, then the tall side would get for example Beckenbauer (as well as Michael Laudrup as another one). I suppose another option could be to add a 'very tall' team at 6'3 and over, and 'very short' at 5'5 and under, but the latter would struggle for a goalie I think (Campos wasn't that short was he?!) so probably best not to (plus those teams at the extremes might not compare so favourably overall).

    For the short squad there is also Ardiles and Giresse that came to mind, that I don't think have been mentioned yet. The latter would fit 'very short' for sure, likely making any such team, along with Maradona and company.
     
  10. world soccer magazines

    Oct 31, 2016
    I have Giresse on the bench.
    Fair enough. I didn't see Giles play much either and I have to base a lot of the oldies on what I read. Here in Ireland, the impression I've got over the years of Giles is that he was actually a tough little terrier like Stiles or Davids with more skill. He's also probably over-hyped here in Ireland; I would have gotten the impression he was better than Deschamps and Davids. I could replace Giles with Monti, who apparently played in a position which might be classified as defensive midfield nowadays or Giresse perhaps.
    Maybe, but that might be a bit too general and just look like any all-time XI lists. Someone else can do the work this time.:)
     
  11. world soccer magazines

    Oct 31, 2016
    Two or more 'surnames' XI:
    -----------------------------------Van Der Sar
    Djalma Santos--Di Vecchi----F.De Boer----Ze Roberto
    ----------Van Hanegem---Paulo Sousa----Mauro Silva
    ---------------------------Rui Costa------Di Stefano
    ----------------------------------Van Basten-

    I wasn't entirely sure about Djalma Santos and Paulo Sousa, but I believe they were always given their two names in commentary etc. If not sub for Van Bronckhurst/ Carlos Alberto and De Rossi.
     
  12. world soccer magazines

    Oct 31, 2016
    Underrated XI:
    ----------------------------------------Bucci
    Secretario----------Naybet----------Vierchowod---Amedeo Carboni
    -----------------------------------Sandro Cois-----
    ----------------------Andrea Cossu---------------Fran
    ----Lombardo--------------------------------------------------Mihajlovic
    -----------------------------------Claudio Lopez
     
  13. world soccer magazines

    Oct 31, 2016
    Underrated XI:
    -------------------------------Pagliuca
    -Torricelli------Apolloni-------Pellegrino------Balzaretti
    ---------------------------------Sergio
    -------Ivan De La Pena-----------------------Vicente
    ----------------------------Malbranque
    -----------------Hubner-------------------Jardel
     
  14. world soccer magazines

    Oct 31, 2016
    Died Young XI:
    ------------------------------------Robert Mensah (Ghana)
    Sandor Szucs (Hun)----D. Astori---------A. Escobar--Roger Byrne (Manu)
    ------------------------------------------D. Edwards
    -------------------Martelli(Torino)-------------------Puerta (Spa)
    ---------------------------------------------Mazzola---------------------
    ------------------Tommy Taylor(Manu)-------Gabetto(Tor)

    subs:
    Liam Whelan (Manu)
    Eigendorf (E. Germany)
    D. Jarque (Spa)
    M.V. Foe (Cameroon)
    D. Pegg (Manu)
    E. Colman (Manu)
    Ossola
    Menti
    Maroso
    Bacigalupo
    A. Ballarin
    Loik (all Torino)
    C. Benitez (Ecuador)
     
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  15. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    #1240 msioux75, Mar 7, 2018
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2018
    It's a good idea.

    Just to say that your list has players with:
    * First and Last Name - Djalma Santos, Rui Costa, etc.
    * Patronymic or Suffix as part of the Surname - De Boer, Van Hanegem, or Ben Barek or Da Guía.


    Some players know by his Two Surnames (paternal and maternal) or Compound Name are:

    Rodríguez Andrade, Víctor
    Benítez Cáceres, Delfín
    Montero Castillo, Julio
    Gómez Sánchez, Oscar
    García Pérez, José
    López Ufarte, Roberto
    Van Breda Kolff, Jan
     
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    Oct 31, 2016
    Hi, yes I realized they weren't really two surnames hence the quotation marks ' ' around surname. I found it quite hard to think of notable players with two surnames. I just chose players commonly known by two or more separate words on the team formation so to speak. I always remembered Paulo Sousa as being referred to as Paulo Sousa in commentary etc. instead of just Sousa, but I may be wrong. Djalma Santos, I'm not sure about. Rui Costa of course was always referred to as Rui Costa instead of just Costa. Same with Mauro Silva.
     
  17. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Some candidates for keeper:
    * Pieters Graafland, Eddy
    * Bertrand Demanes, Jean-Paul
     
  18. wm442433

    wm442433 Member

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Bertrand-Demanes
     
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  19. world soccer magazines

    Oct 31, 2016
    Unmanageables XI:
    -------------------------Chilavert
    Ramos---Goikoetxea---McGrath------Mihajlovic
    ------------------Keane-----Breitner
    ---------------------Maradona
    -------Best--------------------------Romario
    ---------------------Stoichkov
    Subs: Schuster, Cassano, Anelka, Higuita, Edmundo, Gascoigne, Adriano, Effenberg, Goikoetxea, Larios, Montero, Di Canio
     
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  20. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Giles had certainly an edge, but so had Scholes ;) The midfield 'terrier' of that Leeds side was Bremner. I think Giles had actually some of his most acclaimed years between the age of 29 and 35 (he's from 1940), after his return from a long term injury.

     
  21. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Deportivo Wanka, Semen Padang, Dinamo Bender, Fotballaget Fart
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's the question.... who would be the manager?
     
  22. world soccer magazines

    Oct 31, 2016
    Hair XI:
    --------------------------Higuita
    ------------Puyol------Couto------P.Thompson
    ----------- --------------Gattuso-
    ----------Gullit------Valderamma------Breitner
    -----Caniggia-------------------------Maradona
    ----------------------------Keegan
    Versus Bald XI:
    -------------------------Friedel
    -Thuram----Stam--------Campbell-----Carlos
    ----------------Leboeuf-----Charlton
    -----Lato--------Di Stefano---------Henry
    -----------------------Ronaldo
     
  23. world soccer magazines

    Oct 31, 2016
    I forgot about Enke.

    Also, there was Hughie Ferguson, Scottish striker of the early 20th century, never capped for Scotland, but scored a lot of goals. He also committed suicide in the midst of his career.

    Also, Renato Curi was an Italian midfelder of the 70s who played for Perugia and was on the fringes of the national team. He died during a game.
     
  24. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Jun 11, 2012
    Hair homies XI
    1 David James
    2 Abel Xavier
    3 Brek Shae
    4 David Luiz
    5 Taribo West
    6 Marouane Fellaini
    7 David Beckham
    8 Paul Pogba
    9 Djibril Cissé
    10 Mustafa Amini
    11 Neymar
     

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