1. Team cohesion, the team has to bond at least a year prior to the world cup, with minor tuneups at the world cup, just look at the other powerhouses !! Prandelli thought he was smart and would tinker with the lineup the way he likes and make a surprise, doesnt work that way, Arrigo Sacchi was lucky to have Baggio to save his butt 2. Prandellis final selection was his doomsday Aquilani, Motta, Paletta, Cassano, Abate, Parolo, are not nt material Rossi, Giovinco, Giaccherini, Montolivo, Maggio are nt material and provide stamina and speed and had the successfull 2013 confed cup experience 3. once managers show favoritism over technical ability they are doomed , remember lippi with iaquinta 4. Sirigu over Buffon and Pirlo is finished. time to move on 5. the bright side is Verrati and Darmian
Montolivo was injured badly before the tournament not trying to be rude or a d1ck but there is no need for another prandelli thread....one has already been created and it has over 430 posts as of now...it takes everything about Prandelli into account both before and now....multiple threads on the same topic makes things redundant and confusing Cheers!
1. Agree absolutely, but it's not just the tinkering - Prandelli was supposed to be the man who could make Balo behave but he seems to have had absolutely no control over his team. 2. Of the 5 you wanted him to take, two are benchwarmers for their club teams and the other three were injured. Leaving Rossi home was a huge mistake - he couldn't possibly have been in worse shape than Cassano turned out to be - but, on the whole, the team had plenty of ability. It just didn't have any discipline or fitness. 3. See 2. 4. I agree with you on both points, but it's hard to blame our defeats on them.
My take on Prandelli's tenure as NT allenatore: There are many important elements vital to the traditional Italian system of playing. Some of these elements include a combative midfield, a compact and defensively disciplined midfield, world class defending, midfield regista etc. But in the final third of the pitch when successful Italy has always played with a system within which it fielded a front two combining the talents of a number 9 (centre forward), and a number 10 (seconda punta or trequartista). **I've been watching since Euro '88** This has included potent attacking duos like: Baggio and Schillaci Zola and Casiraghi Del Piero and Inzaghi (?) Totti and Vieri Totti and Toni Cassano and Balotelli After Euro 2012 Prandelli made an effort to move away from the system that worked so well in 2012, ie. a 10 & 9 upfront. Why? Part of it may have been a perception that it was too risky to rely on an unpredictable Cassano. Another reason may be that he saw the genuine lack of true number 10s available in Italy (a dying art?) and wanted to have a long term vision for the team. Also, the game (mainly outside Italy) has been moving away from the 4-4-2 system with two strikers up-front for a number of years, so perhaps Prandelli was obliged to adapt his system in line with the dominant European systems. This is where it began to fall apart. Cassano was ostracised but it didn't matter initially because Osvaldo performed well capably filling that number 10 role. Also Montolivo demonstrated an ability to play as an effective trequartista. However Osvaldo self-destructed and Montolivo moved back into CM where he is more at home and the results stopped coming. From there broadly speaking Prandelli adopted and fiddled with two systems (ignoring the 3-5-2 which he only used on 4 occasions in 4 years): A 5 man midfield supporting a lone striker and a 4-3-3, with two wide forwards supporting a central striker. Neither of these systems were ever effective because they are not traditional Italian systems, they rely on crossing, quick athletic players beating players down the flanks, a high tempo and they isolate the lone striker and make it easier for physical, athletic sides to shut him down. But this is not the Italian way. Italian football is much more about technique than athleticism. Finesse rather than brute power. Fantasia. This is Prandelli's failing. Rather than taking the lead. Italian football was torn between following the Spanish tika taka and the Anglo-Germanic run & gun. Prandelli should have stuck with what worked because Serie A and Italian training academies are not yet successful at producing Italian players that can beat foreigners at their own game. So he had a choice stick with an outmoded system that worked or try and adapt to a system that he didn't have good enough players for. He mistakenly chose the latter.
Q. How did Prandelli screw up ??? 1. Not bringing Giacherrini. Most versatile player that can make a 3-5-2 work, or change up the static-CM midfield. Don't know how 'playing regularly' was an issue. Maybe he got black-listed. 2. Not developing an alternative attack to Balotelli. Injuries played some part, but too often Balo was given games in friendlies/pointless qualifiers for no reason. Either Ciro should've got more opportunity or else just go with a veteran who will do the job. 3. So concerned about 'fitness' but completely blows it by picking the same team for first 2 games with players exhausted by the 3rd.
Team just wasn't good enough regardless if they brought the players you wanted. I don't think Rossi, Giovinco, Giaccherini, Montolivo, & Maggio are the difference between beating Costa Rica or beating Uruguay down a man. Not even talent with this current group, it's that simple.
Not true. it would have made the difference, the margins between winning and losing in this world cup have been a very thin line .
but costa rica are awsome, there is no squad or tactics+squad that we could have put together that could have beat them, there isnt even a squad of players we could have put together that could have created even one chance in the 2nd half as oposed to zero.
He could have used some of the players he didn't bring. Destro could have been useful for corners against CR. Trying a quick counter here and there could have made a difference. Scoring first and bunkering down.
I keep asking myself the same question: what went wrong for the Azzurri in Brazil? 2nd at Euro 2012, 3rd at Confederations, two straight unbeaten qualifying campaigns. Good veterans (Pirlo, Buffon, De Rossi, Barzagli) and good emerging talent (Verratti, De Sciglio, Darmian). And this was a World Cup with practically no great teams -- Brazil crashed, Spain imploded, most all teams have been flawed and stumbled here or there. There was a massive opportunity for Italy to make a deep run. So: what went wrong? Why did we fail? I'd love to hear all of your thoughts. Would be nice to get some of the 'senatori' of this forum like DDR and Sardus Pater to weigh in.
Easy. We didn't have enough Darmians. Players with skill but also capable of running in that heat. Pirlo looked dead after the first game. DDR was very poor in the last two games. We had fresh fast legs on the bench and we barely used them. Cassano was a terrible selection. He was morto. So was Motta. Look at Germany. Most of their core players are 23 to 26 years old. They have one senatore in Klose and he doesn't even always play. Prandelli managed scared to make bold moves. 20 minutes to Cerci and Insigne is not enough. These are the type if players that can take people on one on one...and they rode the bench.
The bolded part scares me. 2 years ago at the Euro this German team was being touted as the next great team to replace Spain. We beat them and got to the finals, but the Germans are back this year and will go into the WC finals as the favorites. I could possibly see them going on a Spaniard like run and win the next 3 or 4 big tournaments. Hopefully that doesn't transpire, but with their age and core players being together so long…it is very possible (and doing all this without their best asset Marco Reus). Hopefully, we can get our shit together because we may be the only team mentally that can stop Germany from accomplishing this in the future. I do think that Argentina and Netherlands can beat them. And I will be rooting for whoever wins today to do just that. If Germany lose again on sunday then a mental roadblock may develop for this squad going forward….if not it becomes the Azzurri's job to stop another international dynasty from forming. I agree with the rest of your post 100% Uaglio.
i believe one of the biggest factors is prandelli prandelli prandelli, i feel like he couldnt wait to get out of the job and his head and heart wasnt in it, his lack of clear thinking and ideas strengthen my views, there was no logic to anything he did, no left footed left back, only one player for left back role despite pasqual of fiorentina doing a great job there last time he played for italy, cassano on as lone striker when a man down, relying on only one man who can score (balo) with another 9 outfield players who cant score or rarely get in the box, i could go on and on, prandelli complained we were not quick enough against costa rice, he said this after feilding motta, DDR and pirlo together, these are not the actions of a man who knows wtf he is doing or has clear ideas, imo it is not rocket science why we failed. with a bit of clear thinking and logic we could now be playing in the semi's competing against these other average teams (germany are nothing special but well drilled)
I'd like to see Argentina win it all but I think they'll have the same weakness against the German team. These teams are too slow to realize that Germany is pressing/preying on quick counters. Pushing your men forward against them is suicide. Only the Dutch could stop them at this point.
another reason why I would rather have the dutch be in the final to win....I don't think the argies will stop germany
This is where Prandelli failed: -Brought Motta, Aquilani and relied too heavily on Balotelli -Relied on tiki-taka style of play, which did not suit our talent -played Pirlo and DeRossi together, which resulted in a slow midfield With that said: -if Marchisio didn't get that red card, there is a chance we'd still be rooting for the Azzurri. Takes one domino to fall... However, i'm happy Cesare is out - tikiItalia is incredibly boring to watch and I feel (and this tournament supported my theory) that it is ineffective unless your entire 11 can play it.
all i know is euro 2012 italy earned their respect back....UNTIL they beat germany....i think after that prandelli lost his mind. blown away by spain, then a bunch of terrible friendly matches and squeezing thru qualifier ( i give him that he qualified the team early ) but somehow he lost his touch with the team. italy played beautiful in euros and to see this team come this low in 2 years is just unbelievable. what i hate the most is both him and lippi had tons of time to develop their teams and they didnt. the amount of good friendlies italy played, the confederations cup...they were all great place to practice and find your team. yet it seems like those friendlies did nothing. people from my country (Iran) would give their left nut to have 1/5th of the friendlies italy had to prepare. cuz of politics we dont get shit....so its just so disappointing to see italy keep going down...internationally and the league. year after year you think change will come but it doesnt seem like it.
Scorp what a geniuswhere was the dumb ******** when Italy was struggling to beat Malta 1-0 both games and Azerbaijan by a solitary goal in Italy. We could do well at the Euros but it doesn't change the fact in qualifying we were ********ing horrendous and should have been grilled by the same dumb cunts that blamed Prandelli. ********ing morons. People will say we don't do well in qualifying but even in the past we would smash the likes of Malta and Azerbaijan.
Wasn't that a question for Cannoligol? Thu 03/09/15 ECQ Italy 1 - 0 Malta Mon 13/10/14 ECQ Malta 0 - 1 Italy Tue 26/03/13 WQE Malta 0 - 2 Italy Tue 11/09/12 WQE Italy 2 - 0 Malta Wed 24/03/93 WQE Italy 6 - 1 Malta Sat 19/12/92 WQE Malta 1 - 2 Italy Sat 24/01/87 ECQ Italy 5 - 0 Malta Sat 06/12/86 ECQ Malta 0 - 2 Italy Of 8 meetings, two 5 goal differentials, otherwise the typical 1 or 2 goal wins over minnows. Same pattern here against another similarly equipped national team Wed 14/10/09 WQE Italy 3 - 2 Cyprus Sat 06/09/08 WQE Cyprus 1 - 2 Italy Sat 21/12/91 ECQ Italy 2 - 0 Cyprus Sat 22/12/90 ECQ Cyprus 0 - 4 Italy Thu 22/12/83 ECQ Italy 3 - 1 Cyprus Sat 12/02/83 ECQ Cyprus 1 - 1 Italy Wed 01/11/67 ECQ Italy 5 - 0 Cyprus Wed 22/03/67 ECQ Cyprus 0 - 2 Italy Fri 02/09/11 ECQ Faroe Islands 0 - 1 Italy Tue 07/09/10 ECQ Italy 5 - 0 Faroe Islands Wed 21/11/07 ECQ Italy 3 - 1 Faroe Islands Sat 02/06/07 ECQ Faroe Islands 1 - 2 Italy Wed 04/06/14 FRI Italy 1 - 1 Luxembourg Fri 04/12/81 WQE Italy 1 - 0 Luxembourg Fri 10/10/80 WQE Luxembourg 0 - 2 Italy Tue 15/10/13 WQE Italy 2 - 2 Armenia Fri 12/10/12 WQE Armenia 1 - 3 Italy Fri 03/06/11 ECQ Italy 3 - 0 Estonia Fri 03/09/10 ECQ Estonia 1 - 2 Italy Sat 25/03/95 ECQ Italy 4 - 1 Estonia Sat 08/10/94 ECQ Estonia 0 - 2 Italy Tue 21/09/93 WQE Estonia 0 - 3 Italy Wed 14/04/93 WQE Italy 2 - 0 Estonia Tue 11/10/11 ECQ Italy 3 - 0 N. Ireland Fri 08/10/10 ECQ N. Ireland 0 - 0 Italy Sat 06/06/09 FRI Italy 3 - 0 N. Ireland Mon 02/06/03 FRI Italy 2 - 0 N.Ireland Tue 21/01/97 FRI Italy 2 - 0 N.Ireland Tue 14/01/58 WQE N.Ireland 2 - 1 Italy Wed 24/04/57 WQE Italy 1 - 0 N. Ireland And how about these guys Tue 29/03/05 FRI Italy 0 - 0 Iceland Tue 17/08/04 FRI Iceland 2 - 0 Italy Italy just doesn't have a tradition of going out and smashing teams, big or small, historically with or without Conte. So why cry about it now?
Are you thick you dumb ******** obviously so. You're just a but hurt bitch trying to sound smart and pick an argument. First of all, I said the likes. That means teams like them, more notably at home. I even said people will say we don't do well in qualifying but we STILL did smash some teams. What ever. Second, you say of the 8 meetings vs Malta 5 of them were by more than one goal. Exactly ******** stick. 5 out of 6 before these two, these two meetings have just been played you moron ********Your establishing my point even further. You bringing up friendlies vs Iceland you pathetic bitch Look at these games, and some of them weren't even minnows 1996 euro qualifying 4-0 Lithuania and 2-0 3-1 Ukraine 1998 world cup qualifying Moldova 3-1 away and 3-0 home Poland 3-0 euro 2000 wales 4-0 and 2-9 switerland 2-0 2002 world cup qualifying 2-0 Georgia 3-0 Romania 4-0 Lithuania 2-0 Lithuania 2004 euro qualifying Wales 4-0 Aerbaijan4-0 and 2-0 Finland 2-0 and 2-0 2006 world cup qualifying 2-0 Scotland 4-1 win in Belarus 2008 euro away wins 3-1 in Georgia 2-0 in Lithuania 2-0 home wins vs Ukraine, Scotland, and gerogia 3-1 faroes 2010 Bulgaria 2-0 Georgia 2-0 and 2-0 2-0 Montenegro euro 2012 3-0 Estonia 5-0 faroes 3-0 northern Ireland 2014 world cup qua 3-1 Denmark 2-0 malta and 2-0 3-1 Armenia going back to 1994 as you said with that cum ridden mouth of yours we smashed malta 6-1. we beat Estonia 2-0 and 3-0 and had 3-1 wins over Portugal away and Scotland home euro 1992 2-0 and 4-0 vs Cyprus and 3-1 vs hungary. we had a miserly one game in this qualifying run where we won by more than a goal coming in our second last match away to minnows Aerbiajan whom as I said we've taken care of them comfortably in the past. As for malta 5 times we have beat them by 2 or more, 5 out of 6 before the two games we played them THIS time and the again the point I made. This time we didn't beat them comfortably which we had did in the previous meetings.. To win by 2 goals is at least on the score board a comfortable win. Dude, hang it up. You suck not only in life but also at being an internet troll as well you're a disgrace to your boyfriend you finocch
I'll save you the trouble pauley. You're so predictable insert witty come back here sock puppet remark blah blah blah