Argentinian inside forward Diego García has 2 nominations and 1 HM at mid 1930s. This, made him one of the very top SA players at that time, alongside (Nasazzi, Lazzati, Varallo, Sastre, Ciocca, Benítez Caceres & Cherro. Arguably Leonidas, D.Da Guia & Bernabe Ferreyra to complete a SA top-10). I'm excluding Oriundis. In my book, I had him as a good player with a short peak. Maybe the few international matches affected his legacy or I'm missing something about him, but I don't see him in that group of top players.
Well, I’ll gladly refresh your mind with all your non-sense: “There's always a bunch of Libertadores heroes or other nobodies thrown in that weren't even starters for their NT.” “By this point I'm not surprised there's a group of South American revisionists with an agenda of building a utopia of exaggerated American greatness” “a South American mentality which is to have a massive chip on your shoulder towards Europe, and to use every imaginable statistic as a crutch to prove it.” “The Brazilian "league" of the time was a hodge-podge 40+ village team competition with a format that made sense to nobody.” “I know it's a famously random list from a bunch of baseball-playing commies, but still.” “Unfortunately the Americentrists have muddied the online waters to the degree their distorted viewpoint will affect everybody if people don't know to look out for it.” Crazy conspiracies, generalizations, stereotypes… You are doing such a great job reinterpreting soccer history that Fifa will reclaim the 3 titles from Brazil (the jungle villagers that fooled the whole world. lol) and give them to the rightful owners: Sweden, Czechoslovakia and Italy. (Uruguay’s titles won’t be reclaimed because both finalists were sudamericans. Lol) A continent with 9 WC titles and filled with nobodies, village teams, baseball-playing commies, latin liars… It's just logical that the Jules Rimet clearly belongs to Europe. Go Euro Pride, go!
The 2017 list is based on the 2016-17 European regular season plus the international games of the calendar year. The 2018 World Cup will be included in the following list (2018).
Of course, I'm already at work. I referred to the final list because that's my last attempt of the 2017 list with the help of other opinions and points of view (with the final inclusion of Robben instead of Dani Alves).
As great as Cristiano is, one might also make the argument and observation he takes something away from the scoring prowess (and assists) of his team-mates in attack and midfield. Of course it is bizarre (and at the same time not surprising as others have said when correcting me) Ronaldo has more CL goals than all but seven/eight teams in their entire existence.
The Annoying 2018 top 23 Bale Casemiro Cavani Coutinho CR7 De Bruyne Fekir Granqvist Griezmann Hazard Isco Kane Kimmich Luan (Guilherme de Jesus Vieira) Marcelo Mbappé Messi Modric Neymar Ramos (Gentile award) Salah Varane #23 Michael Ngadeu-Ngadjui (CAF winner) or Ibrahim Sehic (best gk) Podium 1 Neymar 2 Messi 3 Griezmann
The Annoying 2017 top 23 Alcántara Alexis Sánchez Casemiro Cavani Claudio Bravo CR7 Dani Alves Dzeko José Jiménez Kane Lemar Marcelo Mbappé Mertens Messi Miguel Borja Ndidi Neymar Pogba Ramos Robben Van Dijk #23 one of Sandro, Bonucci, Isco, Modric, Christian Fuchs, Kanté, Hazard Podium 1 CR7 2 Messi 3 Mbappé
@annoyedbyneedoflogin, can we already fill 2019 with 15 Real Madrid players? Spoiler (Move your mouse to the spoiler area to reveal the content) Show Spoiler Hide Spoiler Unbelievable how the refereeing continues to favor them (incl. almost all 50/50 decisions), including waving off attacks because players are offside in their own half (while Real Madrid players can of course continue 'because we have VAR for review'). This is not funny, and it is an established pattern now. But that's what you get when the kingmakers themselves own the competition (and the media rights holders have an interest to rug it under the carpet and not "discredit uefa"). Time for another Football Leaks... Sorry... VAR was only meant for "obvious errors" anyway, right?
I definitely picked a fair share of those, didn't I? I did leave out Kroos, German player of the year. I wonder why @Perú FC excluded Casemiro, although his 2018 isn't out yet. Without another CL win, the Annoying 2019 23 wil probably shift towards a different team. A counter question, for my 2017 podium I found the Barcelona - Juventus match up crucial. Would you agree with the perception that it seemed that Barcelona wasn't collected enough/too rushed to ever beat those guys?
Here is the accumulated ranking of the 1960s based on Tom Stevens' annual rankings: 1.- Pelé (Brasil) 2.- Eusebio (Portugal) 3.- Charlton, Bobby (Inglaterra) 4.- Suárez, Luis (España) 5.- Best (Irlanda del Norte) Puskas (Hungría) 7.- Rivera (Italia) 8.- Spencer (Ecuador) 9.- Albert (Hungría) 10.- Garrincha (Brasil) 11.- Coluna (Portugal) 12.- Ademir da Guia (Brasil) Amancio (España) Sívori (Argentina) Voronin (URSS) 16.- Law (Escocia) 17.- Greaves (Inglaterra) Yashin (URSS) 19.- Mazzola, Sandro (Italia) 20.- Riva (Italia) 21.- Masopust (Checoslovaquia) Rocha, Pedro (Uruguay) Tostao (Brasil) 24.- Moore (Inglaterra) 25.- Seeler (Alemania) 26.- Artime (Argentina) 27.- Beckenbauer (Alemania) Di Stéfano (Argentina) Facchetti (Italia) Joya (Perú) 31.- Johnstone, Jimmy (Escocia) 32.- Gerson (Brasil) Pepe (Brasil) Rattin (Argentina) Schnellinger (Alemania) 36.- Verón, Juan Ramón (Argentina) 37.- Carlos Alberto (Brasil) Gento (España) 39.- Dzajic (Yugoslavia) 40.- Cruyff (Holanda) Jair Da Costa (Brasil) Jairzinho (Brasil)
Well, at least the "there won't be anything to discuss with VAR" argument used by anti-VAR people has clearly been disproven by now.
...and from my point of view Modric warrants hs high position in 2017, he was great that year and arguably the key cog in the Real Madrid machine.
Looks like it was technically the correct call to make, ref decision in favor of Real and Barca will (understandably) always cause outrage. You could argue that a situation like that would never get called without VAR, because it's to difficulty to notice in real time.
I wouldn't bet against it. It's now par for course they get frequently outplayed in numerous big CL matches and then get a number of favorable decisions (not just one) in a match (foul in build-up to 1-2 that left Modric free from his 'guard' also crucial). Usually UEFA forbids to make comments, but now they immediately released a statement... Also odd. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...real-madrid-sucker-punch-defending-champions/ It might force them to suspend Ramos for two matches. Sometimes I'm puzzled how Ramos can be so amazingly successful. As mentioned and spelled out on 'pes stats' (that I saw ~ two months ago) his positioning, timing and such is complete garbage although yesterday he was maybe their best player overall. I'd say this perhaps matters for the comparison with CR7, but struggle to see how it impacts the comparison with Mbappe. As always, I like to see your unconventional and individual ideas about who played well and made a difference.
What are the most notable omissions by Glanville? Zico surely one of them. Maldini (by 1997)? I see btw some minor factual errors in the write-ups. Notable British omissions? Keegan obviously one of them (his conflicting case is known, despite decisive roles when Liverpool and Hamburg reached EC finals).
Well, Messi is still above Mbappé but Neymar isn't. I'd like to think that having 2 podium players in 1 team shouldn't have these "a bridge too far" difficulties. However, I just now have fallen out of love with Whoscored. So I am reviewing my lists.
I agree regarding Ramos but these are not his strengths and actually never have been When he was RB for Spain puyol use to cover his defensive frailties and he was made to look less error prone For Madrid there is no such protection and he does not know how to react When he is put into uncomfortable situations(his red card tally even by the standards of so called hatchet men is absurd) For Ramos his strengths are leadership,defensive clearance with his head and generally speaking all types of headers He also has a knack for scoring important goals on more than 1 occasion(and not just in the champions league) Strangely Ramos will be remembered as an all time defender for qualities not necessarily related to defending
Other notable British omissions include Greaves, Morton and Johnstone. From elsewhere: Rummenigge, Matthaus, Netzer Friedenreich, Leonidas Moreno, Pedernera JL Andrade, Scarone Rijkaard Kubala Bican Masopust Valentino Mazzola Djajic Erico Figueroa Cubillas
After getting annoyed with Whoscored, changes are being made. And I am adding an XI, which somewhat influences the selection of the 23 players. For 2018 Agüero Bale Casemiro Cavani Coutinho CR7 De Bruyne Fekir Granqvist Griezmann Hazard Isco Kane Kimmich Marcelo Mbappé Messi Modric Neymar Ramos Salah Sehic Varane Podium 1 Neymar 2 Messi 3 Griezmann XI 1 Sehic 2 Kimmich 3 Marcelo 4 Varane 5 Ramos 6 Modric 7 Salah 8 Neymar 9 Griezmann 10 Messi 11 CR7
I am aware this is an old one and we have discussed before around how this year for the Ballon d'or was a career award for Albert rather than necessarily a great year. The more I dig around this year three names seem to pop out ahead of others, the fact that none of them challenged Albert for the Ballon d'or award was more to do their age and the fact that were less known outside their own country and this was their first big season which probably kept them far lower in voting than they perhaps should have been. Best - Aged 20 for most of the season, United won the league, he was their best player, Charlton took a lot of votes that year from United most probably off the back of the previous season where he won the Ballon d'or but Best was United's main man. Other than the famous night in Lisbon beating Benfica in 66 quarter finals, perhaps not as well know outside of UK. Muller - This really was his break through season, 21 for most of the season, top scorer in Bundesliga with 28 goals, won the German Cup and Bayern won their first European competition with Cup winners Cup and scored 43 goals in all competitions, clear how highly regarded in Germany as he was Player of the Year. Cruyff - The more I read about this season the better I think it was, despite being 19 for most of the season turning 20 in April, it was becoming clear he was a special special talent, Dutch League and Cup double for Ajax, Cruyff was top scorer with 33 goals and 41 in all competitions. A big stand out performance was in the European Cup knocking out much fancied English Champions Liverpool team winning 5-1 in Amsterdam and then Cruyff scoring two at Anfield in a 2-2 draw when Liverpool Cruyff scored twice goals, many an old Liverpool fan would state how good he was over the two legs.
2017 Alcántara Kroos Cavani CR7 Dani Alves Dzeko Isco José Jiménez Kane Kanté Lemar Luan (Guilherme de Jesus Vieira) Marcelo Mbappé Mertens Messi Modric Neymar Olsen Pogba Ramos Robben Salah Podium 1 CR7 2 Messi 3 Mbappé XI 1 Robin Olsen 2 Dani Alves 3 Marcelo 4 José Jiménez 5 Ramos 6 Modric 7 Salah 8 Neymar 9 Mbappé 10 Messi 11 CR7
Pogba over Hazard? Hazard was generally regarded as second best player in the PL that year behind Kante where Pogba had a very indifferent first season for Man United as they finished sixth.
2016 Alexis Sánchez Aubameyang Aurier Bale Benzema Casemiro CR7 Di Maria Godín Griezmann Higuaín Hulk Luís Messi Miguel Borja Modric Navas Neymar Pogba Ramos Suárez Thiago Silva Zlatan Podium 1 CR7 2 Griezmann 3 Messi XI 1 Navas 2 Aurier 3 Filipe Luís 4 Ramos 5 Godín 6 Modric 7 Bale 8 Neymar 9 Griezmann 10 Messi 11 CR7