Health Care Reform Part IV: The Trumpening

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  1. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
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    I think this goes along pretty well with the notion that if a patient shows up 10-15 minutes late, their appointment is cancelled, but if a doctor makes you wait double that there is no impact to the doctor.
     
  2. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

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    I had an appointment where they took me about 25 minutes after the appointment time, then made me sit in an exam room to wait. After another half-hour, I told them I was leaving NOW. Somehow the doctor found time to see me right away.
     
  3. ceezmad

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    They just made the person that did not complain wait and extra 30 minutes.
     
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  4. song219

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    My last visit to the Dentist I used to go to was when I had to wait an hour when I got there on time.
     
  5. M

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  6. Yoshou

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  7. superdave

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    Since there’s no penalty, there’s no real mandate, but the mandate makes the law unconstitutional.

    Balls and strikes!!
     
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  8. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

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    No consensus of legal opinion has stood with this judge on these matters yet. Why do you think they chose his circuit? Bunk this dude.
     
  9. dapip

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    Is there any constitutional lawyer in the audience?

     
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  10. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    There are no obvious misspellings or mangled English in this tweet. Are presidents allowed to do that?
     
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  11. JohnR

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    Regardless of whether this ruling stands or not, something will be done to preserve the ability of people to get coverage for pre-existing conditions. Any GOP politician not in a blood-red districts knows what the 2020 consequences will be for those who are perceived to have removed that ability.
     
  12. Dr. Wankler

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    Only the one's that hate real America.
     
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  13. VFish

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    It will be interesting to see how your approach is greeted.

    And that is a very young Lou Dobbs.
     
  14. dapip

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    Great!!! Next time I head to the ER because I'm having a heart attack, I'll check the price list to decide if I stay there or go to the next hospital 15 miles away.
     
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  15. White/Blue_since1860

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  16. VFish

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    Jan 7, 2001
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    And you think this is a bad idea? Believe it or not, but not every patient checks into a hospital via the emergency room. They also often transfer to other hospitals. If you had a point to make please make it.
     
  17. dapip

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    It's not a bad thing per se, but the positive effects are minimal. Even if somebody checked prices before going into a hospital for whatever reasons, they might not have an open choice, due to in-network restrictions, doctors availability and deductible honoring.

    Case in point, our area is served basically by three hospital groups, one private, one non-profit and one public; our insurance cover almost everything at the non-profit and might honor most copayments towards our deductible at the public group; however it might be difficult to recoup some payments made there. I imagine that the process would be most cumbersome at the private hospital (based on a recent experience with a private provider), which by the way is the one that offers the worst service of all three.
     
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  18. VFish

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    So there was no point, got it.

    I think doctors had hospitals posting prices for procedures and services is helpful even when insurance is picking up the bill. Expensive procedures and scans are often done not because they are necessary, but rather because hospital or doctor knows insurance is picking up the tab or as a CYA move.
     
  19. russ

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    How do you know this?
    Actually,most doctors around here are relatively conservative with ordering tests. Source: people who go to ,work for,and are,actual doctors.
    admittedly anecdotal,but what's your source?
     
  20. VFish

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    Another concern I have with these published lists is whether or not the information is going to actually be useful. As an informed consumer I am not only interested in the overall cost of the procedure, but also my personal financial responsibility.
     
  21. dapip

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    Disclaimer: My wife works in the medical field as a lab technologist, so I have some insight.

    If you are dying or very sick, you really have little concern about the price you are paying and a considerable portion of patients and families will do whatever the doctor says, and even ask for more. If you have a little one with a broken arm, or having an asthma episode, you won't go to the next hospital hoping to get a better deal. Finally, most patients won't know, or won't understand what the doctor ordered and probably will not even look at the detailed bill that you receive from your insurance company, except for the part that says what is your co-payment.

    True, some doctors will order too many tests when a simple one will do, or order the most expensive medicine when the generic is just as good; OTOH, most people will not feel like going the stingy way when their health or that of a loved one is on the line, so they will not care (and most likely they won't know, because they don't understand or they won't see the cost until later).
     
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  22. VFish

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    Jan 7, 2001
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    Personal experience. An example, I badly split my lip in a mountain bike accident and needed a trip to the ER. The cut was bad enough to require many stitches and because it was a facial laceration it was going to require a skilled plastic surgeon to prevent scarring. The ER doc wanted to have an MRI done even though I hadn't had a blow to the head and showed no sign of a concussion. I knew the procedure was unnecessary and expensive but the doctor refused to bring in the on-call plastic surgeon until I submitted to the MRI. I even remember his response to my protests that it was unnecessary - "What do you care? You have good insurance".

    Defensive medicine is a big and expensive part in our system. That is a fact.
     
  23. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
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    All well and good, but more transparency in medicine good thing. That is why I am confused by the motive behind your original post. Apparently it was just another opportunity to snark.
     
  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    This explains a lot. :D
     
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