Health Care Reform Part IV: The Trumpening

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  1. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Cascarino's Pizzeria BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    When you look at something as basic to the human condition as HC (and education for that matter) through the lens of Wall Street, a YUUUGE profit component has to factor in somehow.
     
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  2. Geneva

    Geneva LA for Life

    Feb 5, 2003
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    A sick, uneducated population is bad for the economy - you'd think that would be obvious. I swear this nihilistic vision for our society, which also needs to have every inch of nature exploited for profit, and every pregnancy not prevented and not aborted, is beyond my ken. It is so short term, it doesn't even span a few sustainable generations. My grandfather, rest his soul, once told me that George W. Bush was really a friend of the environment, that the bad rap was all manufactured by Democrats. Uh huh.

    I call on the business community to get a hold of this. Republicans are driving us over the cliff. Wall Street Journal?? Anyone??
     
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  3. ElJefe

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    I never thought I'd see the day where Jimmy Friggin' Kimmel would be the most powerful voice for healthcare in this country, but these are unusual days, I guess.
     
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  4. dapip

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    And obviously, you have to maintain that the private sector is more efficient... The less government we have, the more things we can make into profit for the stockholders..
     
  5. ceezmad

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    One thing that would help the less wealthy.

    Current insurance plants are practically flat fees regardless on your income, so the lowest paid employee and the CEO if both are on the same company insurance plan, then both are paying the same monthly insurance fee.

    With single payer, the contribution into insurance (if Medicare is expanded) will be a percentage of your income, so the more you make, the more you pay in for the same service.

    So if we have to increase the Medicare payroll tax from 2.9% to say 5 or 6%; then you are changing the contributions amounts for the benefit of the less wealthy.

    So opposition will come from the upper middle classes, but it can be sold to the lower middle and poorer classes.

    https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc751.html
     
  6. ceezmad

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    Personal experience is not statistics. (note the article is from 2013, so the number may be a little lower now)


    But while you are right, there is a catch.

    Doctors do take medicare, but they have to be balanced with private insurance or they can not stay profitable.

    So private insurance sort of subsidizes medicare patients right now.

    If you take away that private subsidy, you will need 2 things, medicare has to offer better profit margins to doctors or they have to live with lower quality healthcare.

    Or go the next step and just make doctors federal employees.

    https://boomerbenefits.com/are-medicare-doctors-taking-new-patients/
     
  7. superdave

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  8. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Apr 29, 2001
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    I'm sure this applies to others here, but my county has more people than the entire state of Alaska.
     
  9. dapip

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    But how many real 'muricans? That should be the litmus test; the more real patriots in the state the more money they should get...
     
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  10. usscouse

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    May 3, 2002
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    Beat me to it. :)

    What a slimey bunch.

    The GOP Might Try to Buy Murkowski’s Vote for Obamacare Repeal — by Letting Her State Keep Obamacare

    Senate Republicans are trying very hard to get Alaska’s senior senator, Lisa Murkoski, onboard their last-chance Obamacare repeal-and-replace legislation. As Eric Levitz reportedyesterday, their current tack is to try to buy her vote by blunting the impact of the Graham-Cassidy bill on Alaska.Murkowski, as you may recall, was one of the three GOP senators that killed off the last big health-care drive by her party in July. And with Rand Paul apparently becoming a “hard no” along with Susan Collins, Murkowski’s vote could be decisive.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...offer-murkowski-for-her-health-care-vote.html
     
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  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Apr 29, 2001
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    Let's work out a deal. Alaskans can eat free whenever visiting NY/NJ if Murkowski votes No. Hell, we'll even toss in an off-Broadway play. The Fantasticks is a current hit, Alaskans!
     
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  12. Auriaprottu

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    They'd be visiting NY. New Jersey happens to be next door. How you gonna speak for New Yorkers?
     
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  13. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
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    It's always been a dicey question, whether Republican voters would slit their own health-care throats just to spite Democrats. It's quite clear that they would hurt themselves in every other way by voting as the Koch Brothers wish, for the pleasure of injuring the libtards, but it seemed that they might draw the line with health care. But I suspect that the drumbeat to repeal the ACA, solely for the sake of saying that the task was accomplished and Obama has been treated with the contempt that he deserves, may be too powerful of a lure, and that GOP voters will not punish their candidates if this repeal-and-replace bill is passed.

    Oh, if somebody has a sick kid who is now denied coverage he will repent, but his neighbors will shrug, move on, and continue to vote Republican.
     
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  14. dapip

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    It will be very interesting to see how the wife of the deported Mexican restaurant owner and their neighbors will vote in 2018. But you are probably correct, they will just keep voting GOP for the most part.
     
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  15. SwedishBorn

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    No repeal Obamacare is what Hillary Clinton in wanted list.
     
  16. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    WRONG! Many now stay in Jersey City & other places across the river and take the PATH/tunnel to NYC to waste their money in Times Sq. and at Broadway shows.

    Get outta South Bumblef#ck now & again, ya townie! :thumbsup:
     
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  17. Auriaprottu

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    They're not visiting Jersey, bro. The inns were all full and you're the manger
     
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  18. spejic

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    Mar 1, 1999
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    McCain said he is voting no on Graham-Cassidy.

    It is really difficult to tell which way McCain is going to zig or zag. He's all like:

    Day 1: I love kittens.
    Day 2: Baked.
    Day 3: Is the title of my new children's book.
    Day 4: And all proceeds go to "Creating Pollution USA"
    Day 5: It's a really funny book.
    Day 6: And utterly pornographic.
    Day 7: I mean phonographic. You can play it on a record player.
    Day 8: So you can hear it swear at you. Vile, vile swears.
     
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  19. American Brummie

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    It would not surprise me at all if Rand, Lisa, Susan, and John got together and agreed to protect Rob Portman, Pat Toomey, Ron Johnson, Jeff Flake, and Dean Heller from themselves.
     
  20. cleansheetbsc

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    Well McCain and big Luther's rally tonight.

    Smiling knowing how much Trump dislikes 'losers.' May even have to watch that rally tonight.
     
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  21. Minnman

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    If his previous vote is to mean anything, he pretty much has to vote no here. Thing is, by announcing this now, it gives the GOP another handful of days to cajole him into changing his mind.

    I won't relax until the Sept. deadline for this option expires.
     
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  22. superdave

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    Reports are that McCain isn't against the bill itself, he's against the raping and pillaging of Senate procedures (hearings, committee work, CBO scores, all that stuff.) So the good news is that can't happen by the reconciliation deadline. The bad news is...there's always next year!

    It would be incredibly self destructive for the GOPs to push this through during the campaign season.
     
  23. American Brummie

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    It won't happen during the campaign season. There are about to be a rash of retirements, and those retiring members won't want their last action in Congress to be something so brazenly against their new employers.
     
  24. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    What we have learned is that McConell and Ryan can't pass any significant legislation. I'm not going on a victory parade, but word is that the Kochs are super tired of giving money with "little to show"...

    In many ways, they have received better returns from their investments in ALEC controlled state legislatures, so they may double their focus there and kind of let the RNC fend by themselves...
     
  25. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Perhaps Donald shouldn't have trashed McCain during the campaign.
     
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