HEADER statistics in football 2003-now

Your stats tell me the following

First,
I can see that in an overlapping era from 98-2003 and 2003-2013 (in two different leading leagues) the EPL has a higher rate of header percentages across the board then La Liga. That is in tune with what we traditionally know how English football differs from Spanish. That is, the ball lingers more in the Air in EPL than in Spain.

Second,
I can also observe that the best footballers out of the generation of players in the lists above (e.g like Henry or R9) doesn't necessarily have to be the best headers. Having said that most of the players who top (leading the %) these two tables tend to be players who scored a lot from corner kicks. Peter Crouch as i remember him (since I live in London for 8 years now and have been watching spurs, arsenal, chelsea close) he took many goals from corner kicks in the Air. So it is obvious that heading was his speciality.

With that said, some players are specialist headers and others not. Just like some players are specialist in freekick others are not. With other words, coming back from our debate on headers, percentages doesn't class "heading" as a lesser skillset but establishes the fact that it is merely a speciality as is the case of other skillsets e.g. freekicks.

I reiterate, without the ability for "headers" some players would not have reached as far as they did in their careers. In turn, the games they played, without heading, wouldn't have turned out with the same results neither. Example, Messi scoring the victory goal "header" to help Barca claim as champions. If he wasn't good and confidence in the Air, Barca may have not won that match. Same goes for my earlier examples for Romario. Without Romario's header in WC94 semi-final vs Sweden (which was the only goal of the game at minute 80) Brazil may not have been able to proceed to the final. Same goes to the case of Zidane in WC98. Same goes to Ruud Gullit in the Euros.

Same goes to "Hand of God" of Maradona in WC86. Oops! I hit the wrong pole. Didn't I @Pipiolo

 

@greatstriker11 - Not at all

@JamesBH11 - Romario a far better header than Ronaldo

 

That's more then the double!

Number 10 scores twice as much as the so called pretentious best number 9 of the 90's?

Something must be wrong...or shall I say right?

 

It's funny how some idiots comparing a player who made his debut at 19 year old in La Liga and that due to various injuries could not express its full potential with a player which has grown for 10 years in Barcellona

however, let's see


Ronaldo first session in la Liga

47 goal in 49 games

Messi debut 1 goal in 9 games

at 19 17 goals in 36 games
There was that Eto'o stop Messi?

I'm sure Ronaldo already at age 17 was as good if not better than any version of Eto'o and he surely at 19 years old, no version of eto'o was good like Ronaldo.

Messi is now clearly better than Ronaldo.... only because Ronaldo has had many physical problems


about the overrated Romario

1 - There is people saying here that Ronaldo only scored taps and easy goals.
I would say the important is that he scored. But he only did taps and easy goals ?
The first game against Turkey it was a tap..No a TAP, because i doubt how many players are going to do that jump Ronaldo did with such precision.
The Costa Rica game, one goal he stolen the ball in the area and kicked. Not a tap and not a easy goal.
In the Game against Belgium he scored a potent kick between the keepers's leg. Not a tap, not a easy goal.
Against Turkey again ? He dribbled some players and with great precision scored. Not a tap not a easy goal.
In the final, the second goal he put the ball out of reach of Kahn Something that is not EASY and not a tap.
So, many people saying this, they are just bringing lies.
2 - That would made his WC worse than Romario ?
No, because Romario did a tap in the game vs. Russia, A tap against Holland(thanks to Bebeto assist, Bebeto was the man of match with another great goal) and just touched the ball with the head in the second game against Sweden. He did not only scord taps or "easy goals" in the Cameroon game and the Sweden game, where he scored a goal very alike Ronaldo's Turkey.
3 -Romario importance would be bigger...Hardly, because Ronaldo not only scored the goals of the semifinal like Romario but also the two goals against Germany in the final, something that Romario , against a crippled italian team and basically already beaten by brazil physical superiority, did not in 120 minutes. So, Its clear that Romario was no more Decisive than Ronaldo.





To say that Romario won the World Cup alone is the biggest bullshit I've ever read, that he was not clearly so better than Bebeto, certainly against holland Bebeto was more more better.
I'm sure the fans of Romario will use the argument Rivaldo vs England.

What?? i rember that was Ronaldhino vs England. What did Rivaldo so incredible that some idiots in this section remind us so ardently, belonging to make a "easy goal"(the same phrase used by the haters of Ronaldo) after Ronaldinho dribbling some players.

so against England the man of the match was Ronaldhino, against Tutky was Ronaldo, in the final was Ronaldo( again fans of Romario said that Rivaldo was the best, sorry What did Rivaldo apart from missing a shot against Khan after Ronaldo stole the ball??) So where is Rivaldo??



Do like Stat??

ok

Ronaldo
Copa America: 13 caps, 10 goals, 3 assists (1.00)
Confederations Cup: 5 caps, 4 goals, 2 assists (1.20)
World Cup: 19 caps, 15 goals, 4 assists (1.00)



Romario
Copa America: 13 caps, 7 goals, 2 assists (0.69%)
World Cup: 8 caps, 5 goals, 1 assist (0.75%)

Ronaldo has had 2 great wc and 2 great American Cups, Romario has just had one great World Cup beacuse in Copa America was nothing


I can not figure out which leads frustration some idiots talking about Ronaldo in every post, yet he has retired from 3 years, and he is not even a people arrogant, like Romario that said, that he is the best in history(he is not even in top 50, poor assohole ).

Romaio is the best he made 1000 goals in his dreams and in Topolino leagues


Ronaldo will ********s his mother's, the girlfriend of what??or perhaps it is simply because 90% of people consider him better than Romario ??
Unfortunately, we are in a democracy, maybe you those parts of South America only know the dictatorship.
I can not imagine if he had a better career Ronaldo, Romario probably many fans, they would have committed suicide due to too much frustration.

If Neymar wins the World Cup (also much hated by fans of Romario, maybe they are afraid after Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Roanldhino, even Neymar exceed Romario) I guess. mass suicide by a fan of Romario.


Good night guys make a life

 

Has anyone else noticed that Alexander88 = Riflex =James88 (not JamesBH11)?? I was reading some threads here and noticed that the lack of arguments is the same for all these posters. Also, the bad english is the same. And all these 3 posters used to call every player (with the exception of his idols, Messi and Ronaldo de Lima) as a "Clown". He has a special hatred for some players like Zidane, Ronaldinho, Romário and Neymar.
I guess this guy with 3 nicknames is a italian boy who has no idea of what he is talking about.

 

@Alexander88 @James88 @riflex - you have no idea what you're talking about, any version of you

By the way, Romario vs Italy WC94 means Baresi, Maldini, Albertini, Benarrivo. Ronaldo against Germany in WC02 means Kahn and a bunch of no-marks. What did Ronaldo do against Thuram, Barthez, Vieira in two WC matches?

 

Good points but i don't know what the underpinning in your points are, I mean what do you want to establish?

Does this mean that Ronaldo was better in the Air then Messi.

If Romario scored more headers then both R9 and Messi, does it mean he was better header?

Are we debating about header "rates" or header "capabilities" of a player?

 

Romario had 30 goals in 33 games, in his first season with Barcelona. That is equal to Ronaldo first season. Yet people regard Messi as better then both R9 and Romario. So what is your problem boy? You are too sensitive and touchy when people put your idol in better perspective. Are you hurt?

The above doesn't establish that R9 was better then any of the guys you mentioned. The only thing it does is to highlight an interesting fact that Ronaldo had a great career start at an unusual young age. While others took more time to develop. In fact, Messi already has a way better record then R9 and Romario had in their entire careers. And Messi has still many years to go. So by the time Messi retires, both R9 and Romario will become a dinosaur collection in a museum!

Further, Ronaldo had indeed a high peak early start but his grace faded very quickly. Messi's greatness evolved slowly but steadily and that is something worth a lot more than just a brief moment of glory (R9).

Again, the only way to establish who was better is at the end of a players career when we look back in time and see the achievements. R9, apart from WC02, Copa America 97, and NT performances, has very little achieved with league football!

Romario overrated? That's a typical claim of a young generation fan who was born in 1988. If you haven't seen Romario play you cannot regard him as overrated. Alexander you have not seen Romario play life. That's why you think he is overrated. And I am not talking about the older Romario you have seen in his second and last half of his career when he was singing his swansong. The real Romario you have not seen play was 1986-1999. And his peak came in 1993-1995.

How old were you in 1993-1995? 5 to 7 years old? You barely touched the ball.

Let me bring you up on some things

I didn't say that, just in case.

That's true he did score and it is important, but just mere scoring doesn't and shouldn't grant the hype that he drew to make a legacy for himself.

Just scoring a goal doesn't make someone a hero. Scoring a great goals does.

By only looking at the names of the countries above i immediately get the impression that Brazil had an easy ride through those stages.

WC2002 Turkey, Costa Rica, China, Germany ---VS--- WC94 Holland, Sweden, Italy, Cameroon, Russia
You can already see the difference don't you?

No body said that R9 had a bad world cup apart from WC98 final. You are taking things out of context and are too touchy/sensitive when it comes to R9 stuff (just like James).

Instead what people here said was that WC94 meant a lot more to the Brazilian people. Why? Because until 1994, Brazil had never reached not even the semi-finals for 24 years! So having Romario as their MVP at the tournament makes him a more important player then R9 at WC02.
The same can be said for Copa America. Brazil had never won a Copa America for 40 years until Romario and Bebeto helped them to win it in 1989. Romario scored the header in the final and there's where his status started.

You don't seem to know much about these historical events. You cannot understand football without knowing the historical events to put things in better perspective. World Cup 1994 meant a lot more to Brazil then did WC02. And thence the players of 1994 meant more to the Brazilian people then any player in 2002. Ask "Celito" (a Brazilian) this, he will attest to this. I know many Brazilians aged >40 and they all hold this believe.

Without Romario Brazil would have never reached the finals. That's why he got the "mvp" price. And every single brazilian of that team in 94 including the manager regard Romario as being responsible for Brazil reaching the final.

Now Ronaldo did indeed score two decisive goals in the final of 02. But That doesn't and shouldn't grant him a higher status then Romario who didn't score in the final WC94. Why? Because you have to put things in context, it;s not a black and white thing. Again, it's the bigger picture that you need to keep in sight! In WC94 from group stage till semi-final Romario was responsible for 80% of victories. That alone made him MVP of the tournament. Now R9 did score two goals in the final WC02 but apart from the goals he did not impress at all in terms of those 90 minutes in the final match game. He was almost absent throughout the entire final match. In fact he wasn't even better then Brazil vs England where he was useless! In turn, even having not scored in the final Romario was all over the place for an entire 120 minute vs Italy. He did not score. But he did help to win the WC with his penalty. Scoring is not everything. Helping to win a tournament means more for NT.

Again, big picture is what you and most R9 die hard fans are missing.

Romario won the only WC of his career. One shot one kill.

Ronaldo needed 3 world cup and one sitting on the bench to win only 1

Stats you wanted right?

Romario 1 WC=1 win
Ronaldo 3 WC=1 win

Also,

While you included Ronaldo's Confed.Cup stats, you left out Romario confederation Cup record. What a convenience. Why? Because Romario is the all time Confederation Cup top scorer in history! You are no better then James. Always cheating your argument. Leaving the best of Romario out and include only the best of Ronaldo. Best of Ronaldo vs worse of Romario. Is this healthy debate?

And since you seem to like stats, let me show you about some real stats;

league football:
Ronaldo 1993-2010= 1 league title, 3 times top scorer
Romario 1986-2007=6 league titles, 8 times top scorer

How about that for stats?

And it's in this comment of yours above that I see that you do not only know nothing about Romario, but you do not know nothing about football either. Hell, what are you even doing on bigsoccer.com waisting your time and that of others. And you call us idiots? You ********ing lame idiot!

Romario is the second best goal scorer in the history of the game. He scored officially recognised by FIFA a total of 772 goals in professional football. That is more then even Pele. Most of those goals came from playing for top clubs in top leagues. Vasco da Gama, PSV, Barcelona, Flamengo, Valencia, Fluminense.

How many goals has Ronaldo got? not even half of that!

Romario even scored while being fit in his farewell match for NT at age 42!

Ronaldo couldn't even run properly because he was too fat! And he didn't score in his final farewell match at age 34!. How about that for Topolino?

Also Romario became top scorer of Brazil league at age 39 with 22 goals. That is at retirment age for a striker he still performed better then most young prime strikers in the world. Ronaldo couldn't hack it beyond age 30 any more! Too fat too heavy.

The rest above is not even worth wasting time on it.

Now go back to your play station

You've got "fanboy" written all over your forehead.

 

I was suspecting this. that Alexander88 is indeed James88 in disguise!

Bruford you are right!

He is a fraudster who debates with two different users to rep himself and support each others argument to look as if his comments are shared by others.

But now his cover is blown.

Alecander88 go ******** yourself you lame cheater!

 

Check Bruford previous post. Bruford is right. Alexander88=riflex=James88!!!!!

He's a ********ing fraudster and cheater!

Someone should report this guy with one of the moderaters. We should frag his ass!

 

Interesting.

But ist hard to get stats on headers alone. Quite a tedious chore to count one by one. Have you got a source with some header stats for those players above you can share with us.

 

starting at 1.11 and again around 2.35 for different angles

 

2:10 scored with his header or his hand?