Great Generations of Footballers from Countries or Regions

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  1. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Next is Yugoslavia/Former Yugoslavia. This first group of Yugoslavia players that really put their country in the upper levels of world soccer played throughout the 50s. This group that often played together is broken up into two generation as the players are born over a period of 13 years (1921-1933).

    The first of these two generation is the Bobek/Mitic generation from 1921 to 1928. It is built around the three iconic forwards in Yugoslavia history that all played in some of the same national teams (Bobek, Vukas, Mitic). Thsi group probably peaked at the 1952 Olympics.

    Finisher
    Željko Čajkovski
    Zdravko Rajkov
    Marko Valok
    Kosta Tomašević

    Creator
    Stjepan Bobek
    Bernard Vukas
    Rajko Mitić
    Tihomir Ognjanov
    Prvoslav Mihajlović
    Antun Herceg
    Franjo Rupnik

    Controller
    Zlatko Čajkovski
    Predrag Đajić

    Defender
    Branko Stanković
    Ivica Horvat
    Miodrag Jovanović
    Ljubiša Spajić
    Miljan Zeković

    Goalkeeper
    Vladimir Beara

    The finishers lack a truly top player with Čajkovski and Rajkov both having solid careers, Valok and Tomasevic were more questionable inclusions. The creators are obviously fantastic led by the three great forwards. Ognjanov and Mihajlović also had excellent careers and the position is strong in depth and talent. The controllers, defenders, and goalkeepers all have one all time great player leading the group. The best supporting talent is at defender.

    The next generation is of slightly younger players with a small overlap to the previous generation. The major players carried over are Vukas and Beara. This group crossed over playing with both the famous group of the 50s (previous generation) and the generation after this one that is associated with Euro 1960 and the 1960 Olympics.

    The Milutinović/Zebec generation is from 1927 to 1934

    Finisher
    Bora Kostić
    Todor Veselinović
    Muhamed Mujić
    Aleksandar Petaković
    Zdravko Rajkov
    Marko Valok
    Sava Antić

    Creator
    Bernard Vukas
    Miloš Milutinović
    Tihomir Ognjanov
    Zlatko Papec
    Luka Lipošinović
    Antun Herceg

    Controller
    Branko Zebec
    Vujadin Boškov
    Lazar Tasić

    Defender
    Tomislav Crnković
    Bruno Belin
    Dobrosav Krstić
    Vasilije Šijaković

    Goalkeeper
    Vladimir Beara
    Petar Radenkovic

    There is a major improvement at finisher with Kostić and Veselinović both being top players world wide. Mujić, Petaković, and Rajkov all had strong careers as well. The creators are still strong but slightly decreased from the previous group. Milutinović is the major addition but Bobek and Mitic are lost. The controllers are led by an all time great in Zebec, who played a number of different roles in his career but I figured this was the best place for him. The depth is improved at the position with Boskov and Tasic having excellent careers. The defenders are of similar to the previous group led by Crnkovic and Belen. More depth is added at keeper with a second strong player Radenkovic, added to Beara.
     
  2. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The next generation has an improvement in total depth of players and contains a number of top players. It is most closely associated with the key players of the early to mid 60s.

    The Šekularac/Vasović generation is from 1936 to 1943

    Finisher
    Milan Galić
    Josip Skoblar
    Mustafa Hasanagić
    Slaven Zambata
    Dražan Jerković
    Silvester Takač
    Branislav Mihajlović
    Tomislav Knez

    Creator
    Dragoslav Šekularac
    Zvezdan Čebinac
    Ivica Osim
    Vladica Kovačević
    Spasoje Samardžić

    Controller
    Velibor Vasović
    Ante Žanetić
    Jovan Miladinović
    Željko Perušić
    Rudolf Belin
    Miroslav Pavlović
    Petar Radaković
    Vojkan Melić

    Defender
    Fahrudin Jusufi
    Vladimir Durković
    Mirsad Fazlagić
    Milan Damjanović
    Lazar Radović
    Branko Rašović
    Živorad Jevtić

    Goalkeeper
    Milutin Šoškić
    Ilija Pantelić

    The finishers have excellent depth led by Galic, Skoblar, and Hasanagić. Galic was know for his fantastic career with the national team while Skoblar and Hasanagić are known for their exploits at the club level. Zambata and Jerković also had excellent careers, especially for the national team. The creators are led by Šekularac, an all time great. He has solid support from Cebinac, Osim, and Kovacevic. The controllers are the best group yet for Yugoslavia. They are led by Vasović an offensive sweeper of the same style as Beckenbauer. This position has excellent depth as well with all the players listed having strong careers. The defenders also show an improvement in depth. Jusufi is an all time great supported by excellent players in Durković, Fazlagić, and Damjanović. Soskic is a strong keeper.
     
  3. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nest is the generation that made the final of the 1968 Euro and last group stage of the 1974 World Cup.

    The Džajić/Oblak generation is from 1943 to 1950.

    Finisher
    Dušan Bajević
    Slobodan Santrač
    Josip Bukal
    Nenad Bjeković
    Vahidin Musemić

    Creator
    Dragan Džajić
    Jurica Jerković
    Josip Pirmajer
    Danilo Popivoda
    Momčilo Vukotić

    Controller
    Branko Oblak
    Vladislav Bogićević
    Jovan Aćimović
    Ilija Petković
    Franjo Vladić

    Defender
    Josip Katalinski
    Dragan Holcer
    Ivan Buljan
    Mirsad Fazlagić
    Milan Damjanović
    Blagoje Paunović
    Dragoslav Stepanović
    Dobrivoje Trivić
    Mladen Ramljak

    Goalkeeper
    Ivan Ćurković
    Enver Marić

    The finisher lack a true top talent with Bajevic being the best of the group. The creators are led by the great Dzajic, with strong support and depth from Jerković, Pirmajer, and Popivoda. The controllers are excellent with four excellent players present and one true top talent in Oblak. The defenders have great total depth and depth of top players. The two keepers are both solid.
     
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  4. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    There is a relatively large time gap between the previous generation and this one. This is the generation that came into its prime as Yugoslavia broke apart and showed great promise before it did. These players achieved a strong showing at WC 1990, won the 1987 Youth World Cup, won the European Cup with Red Star, made the 1998 World Cup semifinal as Croatia, and played for top teams all over Europe. A combined Yugoslavia squad would have been one of the favorites to win the 1992 Euro, 1994 World Cup, 1996 Euro, and 1998 World Cup if this group of players had remained together.

    Finisher
    Davor Suker
    Darko Pančev
    Predrag Mijatovic
    Alen Bokšić
    Goran Vlaovic

    Creator
    Dejan Savicevic
    Dragan Stojković
    Zvonimir Boban
    Robert Prosinečki
    Milinko Pantić
    Zlatko Zahovič
    Aljoša Asanović

    Controller
    Vladimir Jugović
    Robert Jarni
    Slaviša Jokanović
    Niko Kovač
    Branko Brnović

    Defender
    Siniša Mihajlović
    Miroslav Đukić
    Zvonimir Soldo
    Igor Štimac
    Predrag Spasić

    Goalkeeper
    Dražen Ladić
    Ivica Kralj

    The finishers are likely the best group yet with all the players listed having great careers. The creators are ever better with a glutton of creative midfielders. The controllers are solid with Jugovic, Jarni, and Jokanović all being excellent players. Mihajlovic, Dukic, and Soldo were all top notch defenders. Goalkeeper is the major weakness of the group.
     
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  5. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The final generation is meant to give you an idea of what a present day/recent past Yugoslavia team could have looked like.

    The Vidic/Modrić generation is from 1981 to 1988

    Finisher
    Edin Džeko
    Mario Mandžukić
    Goran Pandev
    Mirko Vučinić
    Vedad Ibišević

    Creator
    Ivan Rakitić
    Zvjezdan Misimović
    Niko Kranjčar
    Dušan Tadić
    Danko Lazović
    Zoran Tošić

    Controller
    Luka Modrić
    Nemanja Matić
    Darijo Srna
    Aleksandar Kolarov
    Danijel Pranjić
    Senad Lulić
    Zdravko Kuzmanović

    Defender
    Nemanja Vidić
    Branislav Ivanović
    Neven Subotić
    Vedran Ćorluka

    Goalkeeper
    Samir Handanović
    Asmir Begović

    The strikers are strong with 5 solid players/ The creators are reletively weak with Tadic and Raktitc still having a major chance to continue to improve their careers. The controllers are strong with strong midfielders and wingbacks. The defenders are excellent with Vidic and Ivanovic already having excellent careers. The two goalkeepers are also strong.
     
  6. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Rankings excluding the most recent group as they are unfinished.

    Finisher
    1) Savicevic/Suker
    2) Šekularac/Vasović
    3) Milutinović/Zebec
    4) Džajić/Oblak
    5) Bobek/Mitic

    Creator
    1) Bobek/Mitic
    2) Savicevic/Suker
    3) Milutinović/Zebec
    4) Džajić/Oblak
    5) Šekularac/Vasović

    Controller
    1) Šekularac/Vasović
    2) Džajić/Oblak
    3) Milutinović/Zebec
    4) Savicevic/Suker
    5) Bobek/Mitic

    Defender
    1) Džajić/Oblak
    2) Šekularac/Vasović
    3) Bobek/Mitic
    4) Savicevic/Suker
    5) Milutinović/Zebec

    Goalkeeper
    1) Milutinović/Zebec
    2) Bobek/Mitic
    3) Džajić/Oblak
    4) Šekularac/Vasović
    5) Savicevic/Suker

    Overall
    1) Šekularac/Vasović
    2) Savicevic/Suker
    3) Džajić/Oblak
    4) Milutinović/Zebec
    5) Bobek/Mitic

    The overall rating was very close, no one group was far behind the other. Šekularac/Vasović had no real weaknesses in roles/positions. They were 5th in creators but they were not weak their at all, just not quite as strong as other group, whereas other groups were significantly behind in the other roles.
     
  7. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Was waiting for this generation - one of the greatest in face in football history but the national conflicts meant they could not play together after 1990. In my opinion, they would have won Euro92, Euro96 and arguably WC98 based on talent and experience. They also could have gone very deep in WC94 (at least semifinals, in my opinion).

    I believe you mentioned that you list players within each category in rank. If you are doing this here, there is no way a limited player like Pancev should be ahead of Mijatovic or Boksic. Also, why Savicevic ahead of Stojkovic, the far more relevant player at international tournaments. By the way, notice there are lots of left-footers, in the tradition of Argentina/Uruguay.

    What would be your starting lineup and key reserves if this team had been able to play together from 92 to 2000?
     
  8. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Ridiculous, the Stojkovic/Boban generation is Yugoslavia's greatest without a doubt (in depth and peak). Your research is outstanding but your interpretations are often astray.
     
  9. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    If you are only looking at attacking talent they are the best. They are significantly behind Šekularac/Vasović and some other groups at controller, defender, and goalkeeper.
     
  10. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    you're correct

    Savicevic + Suker > Stoijkovic + Boban
     
  11. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    All four are the same generation, @JamesBH11
     
  12. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Do you feel any other Yugoslavian generation had the potential to win the World Cup besides the Stojkovic/Suker?
     
  13. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The Šekularac/Vasović was not that far away in 1962. They were obviously below Brazil so they probably could not have won but they have a good shout at being the second best team. From what I have read they should have won Euro 60 as well, they dominated the final in chances but Yashin saved USSR.
     
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  14. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Next will be Spain. The first group of footballers will be the generation that showed well in the 1950 World Cup.

    The Zarra/Basora generation is from 1920 to 1927

    Finisher
    Telmo Zarra
    César Rodríguez Álvarez
    Pahiño
    Silvestre Igoa
    Adrián Escudero

    Creator
    Estanislau Basora
    Agustín Gaínza
    Juan Arza
    Epifanio Fernández
    José Luis Panizo

    Controller
    Antonio Puchades
    Miguel Muñoz
    Mariano Gonzalvo

    Defender
    Joan Segarra
    Joaquín Navarro
    Gabriel Alonso

    Goalkeeper
    Antoni Ramallets
    Ignacio Eizaguirre

    The finishers are a strong group led by the great Zarra. The depth behind him is excellent as well with all the players listed having excellent careers fro the biggest clubs in Spain. The creators are led by Basora, who in my opinion is one of the most underrated Spanish players ever. He was a great winger for Spain and Barcelona. He was Barcelona's major player for most of his time there. Most people think Kubala made Barcelona but Basora and César Rodríguez Álvarez had led them to two titles in the late 40s. Barosa then combined effectively with Kubala in 52 to win another title and was a major reason why they won a second consecutive title in 53 with Kubala hurt most of the season. He has a fantastic record for Spain as well and was great in the 1950 World Cup. Gaínza was another great winger at the time who was vital to Bilbao and Spain. Behind them is good depth of players with strong club careers. Puchades is the standout of the controllers group which is not overly impressive. Segarra was another part vital part of the very successful Barcelona teams of the late 40s/early 50s and was major part of the team through its second important run with Suarez in the late 50s early 60s. He was Spain's top defender throughout this time as well. Ramallets was an excellent goalkeeper.
     
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  15. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I think you may have missed some key defenders for that generation: Bilic, Mirkovic and Djorovic, all with illustrious careers abroad, which in my opinion puts it atop the ratings in that category. Also add Milosevic and Kodro up front. Hope you don't mind too much, but I think this is how it should look:

    Finisher
    Davor Suker
    Predrag Mijatovic
    Alen Bokšić
    Darko Pančev
    Savo Milosevic
    Meho Kodro
    Goran Vlaovic

    Creator
    Dragan Stojković
    Dejan Savicevic
    Zvonimir Boban
    Robert Prosinečki
    Zlatko Zahovič
    Aljoša Asanović
    Milinko Pantić

    Controller
    Vladimir Jugović
    Robert Jarni
    Slaviša Jokanović
    Niko Kovač
    Branko Brnović

    Defender
    Siniša Mihajlović
    Miroslav Đukić
    Slaven Bilic
    Zvonimir Soldo
    Goran Dorovic
    Igor Štimac
    Predrag Spasić
    Zoran Mirkovic

    Goalkeeper
    Dražen Ladić
    Ivica Kralj
     
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  16. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
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    Arsenal FC
    The next generation is built around the group that won the Euro 1964 and were major contributors to the great Barcelona and Real Madrid teams at the time who had major success in the European Cup.

    The Gento/Suarez generation is from 1933 to 1940

    Finisher
    Marcelino

    Creator
    Luis Suarez
    Francisco Gento
    Amancio Amaro
    Enrique Collar
    Joaquín Peiró
    Carlos Lapetra
    Adelardo Rodríguez
    Luis Aragonés
    Ramón Marsal

    Controller
    Luis Del Sol
    Martí Vergés
    Ignacio Zoco
    Jesús María Pereda

    Defender
    Ferran Olivella
    Manuel Sanchís
    Feliciano Rivilla
    Marquitos
    Isacio Calleja
    Pachín
    Severino Reija
    Luis María Echeberría

    Goalkeeper
    José Vicente

    This generation has some obvious strengths and weaknesses. The finisher group is a major weakness for a number of reasons. First most of the major clubs in Spain at this time employed foreign players as their first choice strikers (Real Madrid: Puskas, Di Stefano; Barcelona: Kocsis, Kubala; Atletico: Vava; Valencia: Waldo). Spain also used Di Stefano, Puskas, and Kubala as first choice strikers. The creator group is fantastic with top players from top to bottom. Suarez, Gento, and Amancio are some of the greatest player at their position in football history. The controllers are solid with very good players, Del Sol is the closest to truly great. The defenders are deep with solid players but no major standouts. Goalkeeper is lacking.
     
  17. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Outside of Savo who is a year to young for this group those are excellent additions, especially the defenders.
     
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  18. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The next generation is the group that peaked in the early 80s reaching the Euro 84 final and was very strong in defenders.

    The Camacho/Gordillo generation is from 1949 to 1957

    Finisher
    Santillana
    Quini
    Dani
    Juanito
    Jesús María Satrústegui
    Poli Rincón

    Creator
    Juan Manuel Asensi
    Estanislao Argote

    Controller
    Víctor Muñoz
    Jesús María Zamora

    Defender
    José Antonio Camacho
    Rafael Gordillo
    Migueli
    Antonio Maceda
    Andoni Goikoetxea
    José Ramón Alexanko

    Goalkeeper
    Luis Arconada
    Urruti

    The finishers have good depth of solid players but no stars. This generation is the only Spanish group with a poor group of creators. Munoz was an excellent player but there is little depth at controller. The defenders are very deep, Camacho, Gordillo, Migueli, Maceda, and Goikoetxea were all legendary defenders for there clubs and the national team. The goalkeepers are both solid.
     
  19. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The next group is the players that peaked in the late 80s and early 90s.

    The Hierro/Míchel generation is from 1965 to 1972

    Finisher
    Emilio Butragueno
    Manolo

    Creator
    Míchel
    Luis Enrique
    Rafael Martín Vázquez
    José Mari Bakero
    José Luis Caminero
    Andoni Goikoetxea
    Fran González
    Txiki Begiristain
    Fernando Gómez Colomer

    Controller
    Vicente Engonga
    Guillermo Amor

    Defender
    Fernando Hierro
    Miguel Ángel Nadal
    Albert Ferrer
    Manuel Sanchís
    Abelardo
    Rafael Alkorta
    Genar Andrinúa

    Goalkeeper
    Santiago Cañizares

    Finishers are light but Butragueno was an excellent player. The creators are much improved, maybe lacking a superstar but lots of depth of very good players. The controllers are weak and the defenders are once again a strength with Hierro an all time great. Canizares is solid keeper.
     
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  20. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The next generation is the highly talented group of the 90s and early 2000s that had much expected of it but failed to make a major impact on the international stage. Many of these players were key to Spanish clubs domination of the European Cup around the turn of the millennium.

    The Raul/Guardiola generation is from 1971 to 1978.

    Finisher
    Raul
    Fernando Morientes
    Diego Tristán
    Alfonso
    Kiko

    Creator
    Gaizka Mendieta
    Juan Carlos Valerón
    Julen Guerrero
    Joseba Etxeberria
    Pedro Munitis
    Luis García
    José Amavisca

    Controller
    Pep Guardiola
    Rubén Baraja
    David Albelda
    Iván Helguera

    Defender
    Carles Puyol
    Sergi
    Míchel Salgado
    Joan Capdevila
    Agustín Aranzábal

    The finishers are led by an all time great in Raul who has some talented player supporting him. The creators have excellent depth but lack an all time great. At different points in there careers Mendieta and Valerón both looked as if they could become all time greats but they could not maintain there form due to injuries and changes in clubs. the controllers are excellent with four very good players. The defenders are led by an all time great who is often associated with the later generation in Puyol. There were no significant goalkeepers in this group.
     
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  21. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Finally we come to Spain's greatest generation and one of the greatest generations of footballer ever, winning three consecutive major international tournaments.

    The Xavi/Iniesta generation is from 1980 to 1987

    Finisher
    David Villa
    Fernando Torres
    Álvaro Negredo
    Fernando Llorente

    Creator
    Xavi
    Andrés Iniesta
    Cesc Fàbregas
    David Silva
    Santi Cazorla
    Joaquín
    Vicente
    Pedro
    Jesús Navas
    José Antonio Reyes

    Controller
    Xabi Alonso
    Gabi
    Mikel Arteta

    Defender
    Gerard Piqué
    Sergio Ramos
    Juanfran
    Raúl Albiol

    Goalkeeper
    Iker Casillas
    Víctor Valdés
    Pepe Reina

    The finishers are led by Villa one of Spain's greatest ever who is supported by Torres, who at different points in his career was thought to be one of the best strikers in the world. The creative group is one of the best of all time. The controllers are somewhat light with Javi Martínez and Sergio Busquets being one year to young for the generation. Pique and Ramos, although often criticized have often had excellent performances for club and country in big moments and have massive trophy cabinets. The goalkeepers are excellent.
     
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  22. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Ranking

    Finisher
    1) Zarra/Basora
    2) Xavi/Iniesta
    3) Guardiola/Raul
    4) Camacho/Gordillo
    5) Hierro/Míchel
    6) Gento/Suarez

    Creator
    1) Xavi/Iniesta
    2) Gento/Suarez
    3) Zarra/Basora
    4) Hierro/Míchel
    5) Guardiola/Raul
    6) Camacho/Gordillo

    Controller
    1) Guardiola/Raul
    2) Gento/Suarez
    3) Xavi/Iniesta
    4) Camacho/Gordillo
    5) Zarra/Basora
    6) Hierro/Míchel

    Defender
    1) Camacho/Gordillo
    2) Hierro/Míchel
    3) Guardiola/Raul
    4) Xavi/Iniesta
    5) Zarra/Basora
    6) Gento/Suarez

    Goalkeeper
    1) Xavi/Iniesta
    2) Camacho/Gordillo
    3) Zarra/Basora
    4) Hierro/Míchel
    5) Gento/Suarez
    6) Guardiola/Raul

    Overall
    1) Xavi/Iniesta
    2) Gento/Suarez
    3) Guardiola/Raul
    4) Zarra/Basora
    5) Hierro/Míchel
    6) Camacho/Gordillo

    Xavi/Iniesta was clearly number one after that it was all very close.
     
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  23. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    tom, your thread needs structure and sub directories as serious as your project is.
     
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  24. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    yes ... Savicevic was more flashy than Stojkovic while Suker was more effective than Boban
    But agree those names should be deserved a mention
     
  25. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    agree ..
    I was abit confused at first...
     

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