Review: German National Team News & Discussion Thread - WC 2014 & Beyond

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Kirsten19, Jul 13, 2014.

  1. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    He couldn't communicate to us on a superior intalctual level so he quit and came back as MS.
     
  2. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    When SirCrapchester disappeared shortly after we won the WC. so credit to him for that
     
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  3. Rosebud

    Rosebud Member+

    Aug 5, 2012
    Chicago, IL, USA
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2128 Rosebud, May 5, 2016
    Last edited: May 5, 2016
    No one has ever argued that playing on the break can't win individual matches against teams who play in possession. The issue is that you can't play on the break when your opposition bunkers against you because you're more talented and have the target on your back. So Leicester's title & Athleti's success over Bayern & Barca, have little to do with about 99% of our NT's matches.

    We can take some lessons from them when we run into Spain; but in our other matches, what worked for them will do ******** all for us. And even in a lone match against Spain; I'd favor our chances of taking them apart with our attacking prowess, over our chances of sitting back & successfully praying that they are as wasteful as Bayern was in that tie...and that their coaching is as cowardly as Pep's was.

    I have a lot of gripes with Pep and those who refuse to ever critique him. But it's hard to argue with the results his football gets over a league campaign. In one-off matches or two-legged affairs the results are obviously more unpredictable. But over the course of a full league campaign you just can't argue the results. Sure he's only done what giant clubs are supposed to do, but it's something that giant clubs fail to do all of the time.

    Roma, Arsenal, Basel and Napoli are not CL contenders. And Mandzukic rotates with Morata as the second fiddle to Dybala...a smaller technical Forward...

    Mueller's a god at WC, but how is he an argument in favor of bigger strikers over more skilled & mobile ones? ;)
     
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  4. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Its always better to have more options than limit your game to "all-or-nothing" approach

    Obviously i realize the trend is to play with more possession. But as someone has pointed out, Leicester and Athletico Madrid have also achieved something with rather different tactics, they play more direct.

    to leave options open...is something we should consider. I think with Mario Gomez n Hahn in the roster, we can play some direct football when needed. I dont like the "obssession of possession".

    I would easily take out Podolski, Volland n Schuerrle if i was Loew


    RW) Mueller, Sane, Bellarabi
    AM) Oezil, Goetze
    LW) Reus, Draxler

    CF) Mario Gomez, Hahn

    I think this attacking combination is more than good enough
     
  5. Rosebud

    Rosebud Member+

    Aug 5, 2012
    Chicago, IL, USA
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    And I explained why Leicester and Athletico's recent success are completely different than what the German NT faces. Do you think Barca or Bayern would ever sit deep & counter against Athleti? Cause that's what all of our competition does against us. Sure it would be nice if other teams would come out and expose themselves for Mueller, Reus & Ozil to shred them on the break...like we were able to do in 2010. But that was 6 years ago. Teams aren't going to do that any more.

    Nevermind that we don't need a big lummox like Gomez to take advantage of teams who do let us catch them on the break; we're kinda really good at that already. We just almost never get to do it.

    That attacking combination would do a great job of playing into the hands of teams bunkering against us, but clogging up the box for our creative players, and giving them one less option to pass the ball to without losing possession. We've seen this countless times when Jogi has tried to force Gomez into the national team.

    If he could come off of the bench as a plan Joker then I can see the argument for giving him the Poldi role of team cheerleader & human victory cigar. But Gomez sucks off the bench, so he can't even fill the one role that he could be of use to us in.
     
  6. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Gundogan out of the EM.
     
  7. pikuchan

    pikuchan Member+

    Jul 26, 2009
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Geez, not again...
     
  8. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    great .....

    ....
     
  9. pikuchan

    pikuchan Member+

    Jul 26, 2009
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So I guess it will be Khedira-Oezil-Kroos midfield then in the Euro.
     
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  10. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    I'd imagine Gomez coming off the bench to provide a more direct option when needed. Playing teams that pack the defense will always be an issue. Against a well organized defense the endless passing will be fruitless (2-3 passes and then lost possession) and frustrating. What is required is a dribbler. Someone that can regularly beat their man forcing the defense to scramble and create openings. A littbarski/Hassler type player.
     
  11. Dage

    Dage Member+

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Torres pretty much fits the big classic striker suit, doesn't he?
     
  12. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Does he? I'm not so sure. He doesn't have a great hold-up game and relies on his movement, technique, and pace as opposed to aerial prowess or physicality. He's closer to Mueller than Gomez on the scale, no?
     
  13. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
  14. pikuchan

    pikuchan Member+

    Jul 26, 2009
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well, Hahn just sent Gladbach straight to CL's qualification.
     
  15. Rosebud

    Rosebud Member+

    Aug 5, 2012
    Chicago, IL, USA
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Shame we can't trust Jogi to give Dahoud his spot in the starting 11.

    Reus -- Mueller
    Ozil
    Dahoud - Kramer/Khedira/Can/Kroos
    Kroos/Weigl/Kimmich
    Schmelzer - Mats - Boa - Weiser
    Neuer

    and we'd be sitting pretty for the Euros even without Ilkay.
     
  16. Rosebud

    Rosebud Member+

    Aug 5, 2012
    Chicago, IL, USA
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2141 Rosebud, May 7, 2016
    Last edited: May 7, 2016
    Hahn wouldn't hurt us if brought along, like Gomez would, as he actually could fill that plan-B/Joker role; but there's just way too many more-deserving forwards to chose from. A hot-streak over the final 3-4 games of the season doesn't move him ahead of them.
     
  17. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    True however that doesn't change the fact that Spain played possession football at EM2008.
     
  18. Rosebud

    Rosebud Member+

    Aug 5, 2012
    Chicago, IL, USA
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    How is it true when the only parts of the classic big striker archetype that he fit were that he was tall? He wasn't a force in the air who jogged into the box & waited. He was a counter-striker who relied on his pace and his ability to beat defenders 1-on-1 in space to get in on goal alone. The big difference between el Nino & Reus is a few cm on their player profile.
     
  19. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm not so sure that the only type of player who should be considered a typical number 9 is Carsten Jancker or Oliver Bierhoff.

    We have Gomez if we need to make a change in tactics during a match. No need for Hahn IMHO.
     
  20. Rosebud

    Rosebud Member+

    Aug 5, 2012
    Chicago, IL, USA
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The arguments for a "traditional" striker always revert back to having the physicality and aerial ability for the team to just thump it up to them; so I don't see why not. *shrug*

    ...but if we were forced to bring a "traditional" striker along, better Hahn than having Gomez remind people (yet again) of how disruptive he is to this team's ability to attack & score goals.
     
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  21. Alex C

    Alex C Member

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Lots of debate about Gomez here, but at the end of the day, if he is healthy, then I think he is very likely to be in the squad for the Euros, whatever anyone thinks of him.

    It is Löw's decision, not the fans. He is best qualified to judge who is and who isn't deserving of a call up. If he picks Gomez, that proves he is worthy of his place imo.
     
  22. Rosebud

    Rosebud Member+

    Aug 5, 2012
    Chicago, IL, USA
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yeah, appealing to authority is an especially weak argument when the authority you are appealing to is Jogi Low lol

    ...cause Poldi...
     
  23. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
  24. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The team with the best deference wins you titles....See Spain/Italy and Germany in the last tournaments teams winning many games by 1-0 ... take it.
     
  25. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Our defence stems a lot from our possession play and dominating midfield, no?
     
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