German Federal Election 2017 - or alternatively "the end"

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  1. crazypete13

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    Moved to P&CE so there is no envy of the French election thread.
     
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  2. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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    AfD are holding their party convention in Cologne right now with 50k demonstrating against outside. All peaceful up until now but the situation could explode anytime
     
  3. American Brummie

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    This thread missed an opportunity to be called "alternative for Civilization"
     
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  4. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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    All the possible coaltions you need to know (and some you dont)

    grand coalition, traffic light, Jamaica, R2G, Kenia, Germany, Kiwi




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  5. ElJefe

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    I think that the Kiwi-Koalition concept amuses me the most because it would involve the CDU/CSU and Greens' having to agree on something.
     
  6. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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    Yes until 10 years ago that was the case but today? They agree on many things since the nuclear energy thing is off the table. By getting out of nuclear Merkel has created this as another coaltion option for her party. Many within the green party are social conservatives. It's even in the name of "conserving" nature. And there are 3 current state governments where greens and conservatives build a coalition. Contrary to the UK or the US the Greens have stopped being an entirely left thing so in Germany you can be a conservative and pro renewables or environmental matters

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  7. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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  8. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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    Coming up

    State elections SH and NRW
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  9. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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    Merkel's party seems to be winning SH and AfD make yet another state parliament
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    Jamaica or traffic light coalitions possible
     
  10. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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    Huge election in NRW this Sunday and it looks like Angie could conquer the state: Her party has surpassed the incumbent SPD led government in the latest poll. Would be interpreted as a big sign for re-election of her

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  11. Belgian guy

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    So in essence, the two outcomes are either more CDU or a coalition that will be more left-wing. But what about the far-right take-over of Germany that we have heard about for all those months! :eek:
     
  12. Anthony

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    When I lived in Virginia (I moved out in 2000), a similar thing happened with the Greens there. At the time, both main parties at the state level were to the right of their parties nationally. The same with the Greens. The Independent Green Party of Virginia (IIRC the name correctly) later delinked from the national Greens. They were fairly pro-business and very fiscally conservative (in some ways the local chapter in Arlington was more pro-business and fiscally conservative than the Republican party). The Green part was that they wanted to protect greenspace (parks, etc) and were real big on using rail to address the traffic issues in Northern Virginia rather than expanding the expressways.
     
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  13. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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    I am not entirely sure but I think during the Dutch elections Ive heard their Green party has split in a left and and right Green party and yes die Grünen are actually two parties and depending on which wing is stronger on the state level will they orientate themselves for possible coaltion options. NRW is clearly a leftist (fundi) state organisation. So if the Greens dont join a Jamaica coaltion NRW might up with a hung parliament (again).
     
  14. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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    https://espresso.economist.com/18de4beb01f6a17b6e1dfb9813ba6045
    Merkel’s momentum: NRW votes
    One-fifth of Germany’s population goes to the polls on Sunday. North-Rhine Westphalia is Germany’s industrial heartland and leans towards the centre-left, run by the social democrats (SPD) for 25 of the past 30 years. But congested roads, crime and high unemployment (as well as nagging questions about how Anis Amri, the Berlin truck attacker, slipped through the state’s asylum system) have dented the popularity of the SPD-Green coalition government. The centre-right CDU of Chancellor Angela Merkel unexpectedly triumphed last weekend in the Schleswig-Holstein state election, and is only narrowly behind in NRW. A second CDU win would be even worse news for Martin Schulz, the SPD candidate for chancellor, who hails from western Rhineland and has deemed the vote on Sunday a crucial test ahead of the general election in September. National opinion polls give Mrs Merkel increasingly large leads; victory in the biggest state would only add to her momentum.

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  15. White/Blue_since1860

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    holy moly

    SPD with the worst result in history. big victory for Merkel. AfD also strong

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  16. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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    Just to put this into perspective:

    This is comparable only to California turning red
     
  17. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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    Looks like the left could still drop under the 5% treshold which would make a CDU-FDP coalition possible, Meanwhile, this to show the difference to the FPTP system

     
  18. Anthony

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    These things sometimes go in cycles. Until 1992, California was considered a relatively safe state for the GOP in presidential contests -- other than 1964 (which was a disaster for the Republicans everywhere) the Republican presidential candidate carried California in every election from 1952 to 1988. And more likely than not since before World War I California has had a Republican governor.
     
  19. ElJefe

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    I'm sure that the California Democratic Party sends a thank you card to Pete Wilson every Election Day.
     
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  20. Boandlkramer

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    Imagine that?! :eek:

    http://www.dw.com/en/what-does-the-...ermany/a-38838076?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf

    I'm glad to see that this alt-Right movement looks to be losing steam, or at least remaining on the fringe.
     
  21. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

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    2017: the year social democracy died.
     
  22. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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    Yeah and it looks like we're heading for snap elections in Austria. Social democrats bound to lose, rightwing FPÖ to win, conservatives ÖVP running with the current 30 yo foreign minister. Possible date 15th October. 2017 could be the year the EU saved its ass again
     
  23. Boandlkramer

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    I'm ignorant to the circumstances of snap elections. What triggers those?
     
  24. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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    Effectively, political circumstances and momentum. Technically, majorities in parliament shifting and governments losing their ability to govern. In this case the ÖVP fears they will lose big time in the next nominal elections in 2018 so they leave the current grand coalition and try to build everything around the current very popular foreign minister on a new platform so that they can say in the snap elections this fall they arent part of the government anymore and so perhaps they can win back some conservative protest votes from the right wing FPÖ. Here, when Kurz announced leaving the coalition ÖVP polled around 22% and FPÖ well above 30%. Now this:

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  25. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

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