German Dual/Triple Nationals.

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Ger90, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    Jastrzembski’s brother Chris is a fitness coach

    He told me his brother prefers Germany, by far. But of coz if there are more talents at that position n he doesn’t have a chance, he will think about other options
     
  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    believe I saw him once on twitter claiming that his bro could make it for Germany by 2022 WC.

    He's still a German youth eligible until the 2023 U21 Euros. He needs to cement himself at Hertha 1st, has only played scrap minutes. 1 assist (game winning one) in 4 games playing 30 minutes total.

    he pretty much got blocked from the 1st team by new signing 98-Dilrosun who hasnt done anything since September. Had a great start for Hertha but seems to have cooled down a lot.

    besides Dardai during preseason kept saying that Jastrzembski being a speed monster will make him useful for scrap minutes besides not wanting to overdo it on a 18 year old.
     
  3. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well Dilrosun is a famous wonderkid among Europe at his age group but he’s 2 years older

    I think Jastrzembski is good talent too, can be loaned out to a promoted team and have regular match practice.

    The problems with our youngsters is that no matter how highly they are rated, when they’re loaned out they usually failed to impress.
     
  4. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    too many factors play into loans being success or not. Some clubs take in players on loan but then those players are only back up players. Club would rather play their own. Other times, they are never given chances too. Also loan players do tend to generally (not always) have shorter leashes than club owned.

    the German-Russian dual, Maximilian Pronichev (plays for Russia) is extremely angry that Aue have given him 0 chances and seems likely to be recalled by Hertha in Winter.

    you also have to take into account where they are loaned out, is it a struggling club or not? Does anyone think Abouchabaka for example will score/assist a ton for Furth? Besides being only 18, that club only has like 1-2 performers. Fein for one in midfield seems to be doing well in his 2BL loan, has become part of the XI.

    besides there aren't many German loans these days, clubs seem to be dumping most players in RL.
     
  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think for loans it's not about overimpressing,it's more about getting match practice at a higher level and enhancing one's skills. If your given a chance to play and improve and don't play like shit, get consistent that's good enough.

    Why do you think Abouchabaka went on loan for 2 years because RB Leipzig have 0 interest in players with no pro experience. They even take 2nd division players but ignore U19 experience. It's why he made the decision with his manager to go on loan instead of wasting another year in the low level of U19. He already performed in U19 last season. Made his pro debut vs Dortmund too and in both games as a pro, kid didn't look at out place. His match over the weekend will only get him more chances.

    sure RB/Nagelsmann might not bother with him in 2 years because they could be buying players but he can easily catch the eye of other 1BL clubs.
     
  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yilmaz (starter), Uzun (starter) and Aydinel (sub) have been provisionally cap tied by Turkey in their 2-1 loss to Iceland U19.

    I see Turkey is just as bad as they ever were in Youth NT. Only top 2 in every group makes the Elite Round, seems likely Turkey will crash out in the earlier stages.
     
  7. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Alexander Scholz, a Danish international who's born to German parents is part of the FC Midtjylland squad who are currently 1st place in the Danish Superliga and yet to have a loss in league play.
     
  8. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yup. I was mixing those two up.
     
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  9. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Evina explains why he choose Cameroon over Germany.
    Bayern Munich forward Franck Evina says his decision to commit to Cameroon over Germany at international level was inspired by his 'love' for former Indomitable Lions captain and goalscorer, Samuel Eto'o.

    Evina, 18, is set for his Cameroon debut against neighbours Chad in a 2019 Africa Cup of Nations qualifier on Friday.

    Born in Yaoundé, the Bayern player had previously featured for Germany's Under-18 side but has pledged his allegiance to his country of birth.

    "It is my love for Samuel Eto'o that spurred me to play for Cameroon. I've always admired him, he is a wonderful striker and I wanted to play like him," Evina told BBC Sport.

    "The thought of playing for Cameroon just like my role-model was too attractive to ignore.

    "Watching Eto'o play for Cameroon was exceptional and getting to know that I can play for the Lions like him is incredible," Evina said.

    The Bayern Munich teenage prodigy admits, he thought hard about committing to Cameroon over Germany.

    "It was never an easy decision choosing because both nations have very competitive and talented teams. But I believe joining Cameroon was the best choice for my career.

    "Germany means a lot to me. I'm in one of the best clubs in the world and there's a part of me that feels German.

    "I spoke with my parents extensively on this and also spoke to Coach Kovac in Munich. They understood my worry and the coach (Kovac) asked me to make the best decision and I think this is the best choice for my career.

    "The moment Coach Rigobert Song called me, my mind was settled on playing for Cameroon. He is a former captain of the national team.

    "I grew up watching him with a lot of passion and he told me he wants to help me grow as a player.

    "I believe I can offer something special to this team and I just want to give my best but obviously playing the 2019 Africa Cup of Nations with Cameroon at home will be a very exciting adventure and I'm going to work extra hard to see this dream come to fruition," Evina added.

    The teenager is set to join a long list of former German youth internationals who have gone on to play for the four-times former African champions with the most prominent being Paris Saint Germain striker Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting and Liverpool defender Joel Matip.

    Evina made his debut for Bayern Munich in their 4-1 victory over Eintracht Frankfurt on 28 April, and having appeared for them twice last season, Evina is now hoping to establish himself in the German giants' first team.

    "Bayern is a very competitive team, blessed in all compartments with talented players. For a youngster it's never easy breaking into the first team. The training sessions are very demanding but you always have to stay focused.

    "I am working very hard on my weaknesses, trying to be better and hoping to play my way into the senior squad. I know it won't be easy but with a lot of determination, I'm upbeat about being able to get a spot in the first team."
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46222882


    I can't blame him, born in Cameroon and immigrated to Germany, his whole family is from there too. I think players who are from countries that have NT successes could be spurred to join those teams. Ones like Ghana, Cameroon, Ivory Coast from Africa for example.

    we are also getting more youth players who are German-Morrocan. The more Morocco does well at International levels. The more those players will be tempted.

    I think when it comes to duals/triples, the worst thing for any country is the 2026-onwards expanded WC. Teams that never made the WC, will start making them, which will open up even more players who will choose other countries. Same with expanded Euros, which had Albania, Sloavakia, Wales, Northern Ireland, Iceland qualify for the 1st time back in 2016.
     
  10. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Lol that Neustadter reaction

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  11. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Guess they'll be sent to the gulags after this Russian loss

     
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  12. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
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  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    speaking of Vlachodimos, he made his Greece debut in the XI in NL in a 1-0 win vs Finland. Played the full game and kept the clean sheet.

    guess he was right to choose Greece, gets a chance at #1.
     
  15. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Avdijaj bags a brace for Kosovo vs Malta
     
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  16. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    so who are the relevant duals from 95-97 age groups and who aren't permanently cap tied (nor am I saying we should call them up to senior NT). 95 are no longer youth eligible, while 96 only have 2019 U21 while 97 have Olympics if we make it.

    95-
    Akpoguma, threatened to join Nigeria in a few years if Germany ignores him.
    Selke, Ethiopia/Czech. Would be the biggest loss of his age group if he doesn't play for Germany.
    Mukhtar, have doubts he'll ever play for Sudan.
    Bauer, turned down Kazakhstan years ago to focus on Germany. Although can reconsider, but not really attractive proposition.
    Palacio Martinez, yeah he's not playing for Spain. Seems to be Germany or nothing.

    96-
    Anton, Kazakh/Russia eligible and Russia are interested in him. Russia could be a bigger draw than Kazakhstan.
    Amiri, massive doubts he'll ever play for Afghanistan.
    Dahoud, massive doubts he'll ever play for Syria.
    Seydel, feels nowhere near the NT but how long before Ghana try to poach him?
    Sabiri, recently rejected Morocco to play for Germany U21. Although guy has some issues that veer towards negative. Could easily see him threaten to join Morocco if he's not picked to the senior NT post U21. Even though he has to fix his career 1st.
    Oztunali, Turkey eligible.

    97-
    Uduokhai, Nigeria tried to poach him only to stick with Germany. But how long will that last?
    Torunarigha, Nigeria tried to poach him only to stick with Germany. But how long will that last?
    Lowen, Russia eligible, could see him end up with Russia as midfield is very hard to breakthrough and not a top prospect.
    Ochs, Kazakh eligible. Doubts he'll ever be good for Germany but like Bauer not sure Kazakhstan is an attractive team
    Serdar, Turkey eligible
    Eckert, eligible for Spain/Iran. I doubt he'll ever play for Spain. As for Iran, don't know if it's an attractive destination between the different culture/language/traveling etc. Seems like the Iran is his grandmother from his father too. Wants to play for Germany.
    lyoha, doubt he'll ever be good enough for Germany, could see him end up with Nigeria.
    Owusu, Ghana eligible, same as Seydel
     
  17. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think Loew has to drop Tah n bring in Torunarigha, at least for 1 game

    Selke is decent prospect but he has to play for Hertha. First. Or else he isn’t going anywhere

    Other than Torunarigha n Selke, the others I don’t care really. Don’t rate them as German NT material

    Uduokhai, Anton, Torunarigha, Akpoguma all on the list. And of coz we have Tah, Sule, Kehrer those young defenders.... how is it possible to cap Uduokhai, Anton, Torunarigha n Akpoguma all at a time?

    Nah, won’t force it. Take Torunarigha and let him to play with Sule, Rudiger, Ginter, Kehrer And we call it a day
     
  18. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Selke is getting closer to getting more playing time after that goal while Hertha was 10 men and impressing in the game. He was after all injured for awhile while Ibisevic was doing well. Now Ibi has had a drought.

    the interesting ones from that list are
    Selke, Torunarigha, Anton, Serdar

    Needs consistency/improvement.
    Dahoud and Oztunali. More difficult for Oztunali playing for Mainz, that club has a good defense but struggling to score. Oztunali is more of a provider/creator than scorer. Doing that for Mainz isn't easy.

    Just returned from long term injury, and wait on how he does again.
    Amiri

    Need to fix their club situation (1st 2)/establish themselves (3rd).
    Sabiri, Uduokhai Eckert
     
  19. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I mean Anton, Akpoguma, Uduokhai n Toronto are all on the list

    But 4 young CBs? And we have others like Ginter, Sule, Tah, Kehrer...

    It’s a competitive position. I think as long as Torunarigha is capped by us, the other three doesn’t matter
     
  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I didn't say to cap these players only the interesting ones.

    we don't need Akpoguma.
    Tah has been OK this season, Ginter isn't a guarantee in the NT especially once Low gets an RB. The whole point is competition for places. If someone is better than they deserve the call up.

    Uduokhai is nowhere near the NT, can't get more than 5 minutes, that's why I said he needs to figure out his club 1st, then he needs to perform and consistency. Besides these things are also based on injuries, some players get called up because another is injured. While Hummels-Boa are both 30 already and getting closer to aging out. Also about having depth to a position.
     
  21. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    With Sule, Rudiger, Kehrer (who is doing better n better in PSG), Ginter n Tah. We have some decent prospects at CB

    Then Torunarigha who I rate, Anton/Uduokhai/Baumgartl are more or less same level

    Still think Beyer should be developed as CB in long run, then we also have Mai. Many decent options

    CB is a position where I don’t really too care about dual-nationals. Far too many young options
     
  22. Alex C

    Alex C Member

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    #147 Alex C, Nov 18, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2018
    Overall it seems CB is an area where the youth coaching has been pretty successful in recent years, lots of good options/depth coming through.

    It seems that,on the whole, more clubs are willing to trust young CB's and give them playing time then they are young strikers.
     
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  23. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think CB, “8” and wingers, we have plenty of options

    Now the problem positions are fullbacks n strikers.

    GK is ok, Florian Muller n Nubel will slowly pick up, Frommann is another GK with good prospect. GK tend to breakout slightly later than other positions, because the Veteran Gk can start until they are 34/35 n there is only one starting GK spot to fight for.

    There aren’t many young strikers who are starting in 1BL or 2BL. Arp and David Otto have their problems, Serra is doing reasonably well and we have to wait until Florian Kruger play.
     
  24. Alex C

    Alex C Member

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Are coaching policies going to be adapted to allow for more focus on striker development? Imo It should be seen as a specialist position with a more defined/specific skill set, not an extension of the midfield.
     
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  25. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    would say the real dual issue could end up being striker in the long run. U21 NT will only keep players in the program until they are 22-23 (22 is odd year birth and 23 is even born year birth) but how long before they start to lose patience with Germany for not getting call ups? Imagine a dual striker becomes impressive at 27, too bad/late he's already switched.

    even more so if they could to be 1st choice in other NT, while being younger.
     

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