PBP: Fullback

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Marko72, Oct 2, 2013.

  1. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    I'm not the only one who feels that we are currently in a bit of a quandary as far as our fullbacks are concerned. Greg Seltzer (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/artic...k-usmnt-two-unlikely-candidates-are-best-fits) posits that Jermaine Jones or Edu ought to be shifted to left back. What his article does not take into account, however, is the fact that the majority of our attack has been generated along the left flank, with Fabian Johnson somewhere on the left flank whether a defender or a midfielder. A left flank tandem of Johnson + Beasley is built for getting width in attack up the left side, but leaves us on that side without a truly solid defender.

    With Steve Cherundolo looking increasingly unlikely to mount a strong comeback on the right side, one could say we have concerns on both sides, 8 months away from Brazil. In my own opinion, both fullbacks are now the position we're most in need of answers, currently, moreso now than center back or winger.

    Discuss.
     
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  2. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    NOTE TO MODS: The "PBP" tag was unintended and inappropriate. I haven't been able to change it. Help, please?
     
  3. bmo180

    bmo180 Member+

    Jan 25, 2012
    give Chandler/Cameron/Yedlin/Lichaj a chance at RB, and if they dont cut it Evans and Parkhurst have done a solid job. We have alot of options at RB, especially if Cherundolo comes back.

    And JK should try Klute and see if he is an upgrade over Beasley, if not and Beasley isnt cutting it just move Fabian back. Parkhurst and Chandler weren't bad in their stints at LB either
     
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  4. NorcalSoccerRule

    Aug 21, 2011
    Pittsburg, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    There are a good contention rightbacks in the US pipeline. There's Lichaj, Yedlin, Beitashour, Chandler, Myers, Beltran, and Franklin. Everybody is getting high on Yedlin, but putting an inexperienced fullback in a high-pressure enviroment from the get-go doesn't sound promising. Not just because I'm a San Jose fan, but I'd love to Beitashour or Myers compete for than spot. They're both attacking, overlapping FB's and really could contribute to an attack that lacks wing play. Knowing Beita, I know he has good vision for crosses. For left backs, the only viable options are Klute, Pearce and Dunivant. Morrow used to be called up, but now he doesn't even start for the Quakes. Klute seems the most promising and youngest.
     
  5. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    One thing I'd like others to consider is not only the quality (or trajectory) of said players, but also how they would fit within the overall team concept. For example, I think we honestly have an issue with either Beasley or Johnson at LB, but the way in which they provide the width on the left flank which plays a large role in driving our attack forward is quite obvious, and quite necessary, IMO.

    All cycle, our biggest issue has been center back (and secondarily, winger). At this point, it honestly seems to be fullback.
     
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  6. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like it.Each club or NT game for our candidates is a "play" in the big game of making the WC squad.

    I say sticky It!
     
  7. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    I had intended discussion in light of my own concerns and in response to Seltzer's article, however... I wouldn't be opposed to a "MLS/YA Flavor of the Week" style thread following our fullback candidates.
     
  8. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Personally, I think right back is a position in which we have an absolutely obvious candidate.

    We have a guy playing at a higher level than everybody else right now, and that's Geoff Cameron. If that guy is going to play the way he is right now in the Premier League at that position, then I don't know what the cause for concern at right back is.

    Left back, as usual, is a mess. Against CONCACAF opposition any number of players has been viable viable. Hell, Austria, Scotland, Jamaica, Panama, etc. don't really tell me which one of our guys can hack it at an elite level either. We could call up Klute to play Jamaica and so what? How would any of these guys do against Argentina or Germany? I just don't know.
     
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  9. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Not really worried about RB in that Gcam and Chandler are both starting and playing well against some of the best in the world in their leagues.

    LB is another story. I'd like to see Lichaj and Klute given a chance.
     
  10. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Based on Jurgen's comments Yedlin and Klute will not be called up until January, at the earliest.
     
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  11. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    I think that was in reference to Luis Gil and Yedlin...no mention of Klute

    Matthew Doyle ‏@MLS_Analyst1 Oct
    USMNT: Jurgen Klinsmann says DeAndre Yedlin, Luis Gil on his radar, but no call-ups imminent #MLS
     
  12. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Which one could take to mean he's further down the pecking order and as a similarly inexperienced full-time MLS starter the same general thinking would apply.
     
  13. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Hasn't Klute been playing pro soccer longer then a year (as opposed to Yedlin). I thought he played for the Atlanta Silverbacks, no?
     
  14. TheNearPost

    TheNearPost Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I think we could be set at full back if we just go with Cameron as a stay at home right back and Fabian Johnson as a marauding left wing back. Bedoya will provide the width on the right, and I hear he has featured as a right wing back in a 3-5-2 for Nantes, so this role will work for him.

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    I think we've got at least one good option at each full back position, and enough quality in midfield that moving Cameron and Johnson back won't leave us outmatched in that part of the pitch.
     
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  15. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Yes, for the last half of the 2012 season. If this was the regionalia that these guys were top fullbacks in Jurgen would call them in but in the low quality MLS they need more seasoning. Bringing up the NASL gets you laughed out of the room.
     
  16. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    MLS > regionalia by far...

    He is no longer an NASL player, he's one of the top LB's in the MLS...I'm not penciling him in as a starter and I want to give Lichaj a shot there but I think Klute shouldn't be grouped with Yedlin or Gil - he's 3/4 years older then them and in the soccer world that's pretty significant.
     
  17. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    I think Jurgen would say that just means he's 3-4 seasons behind them.
     
  18. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Sir Alex Ferguson is being interviewed (tape) on Charlie Rose just now (Bloomberg TV on my area)

    I liked what he had to say about observation. Just putting together a team of Bundesliga players because BL is better than NASL is not the way to go. I always worry when JK says "we" are watching, as if he never bothered to go see the player he refers to himself because he always intended to choose the BL player because everybody knows BL is better than NASL or Mls or whatever. I dont laugh when I hear NASL. I'm not getting the arrogance here.
     
  19. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Bedoya play RWB for only 25 mins vs. PSG...this past weekend he played 80 mins at LW - he's been all over the field.

    Not sure you want Cameron as a "stay at home" sort of player. One of his best skills then would be put to complete waste and that's his passing out of the back along with his dribbling and vision - all very strong versus Man City, Arsenal, L'pool. He's been getting forward very very well this season for them. His only downside is his crosses from the right flank. I'd rather have him in the CM then Klesjtan then put TC at RB to get forward, FJ in the midfield and then Beasley (I actually prefer others) at LB to "stay home" if you're gonna have a player like that on the backline.

    In fact between Brooks and Cameron combined they were 79/90 passing vs. Bosnia...I think Brooks actually takes one of Gonzalez's or Besler's spots...Gonzo is mistake prone and Besler has been "rested" for KC which I find odd

    This is also assuming Clint gets back to his old form I take it and AJ cools off
     
  20. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Sounds like we should callup Julian Green then instead of Donovan!
     
  21. jaxonmills

    jaxonmills Member+

    Aug 26, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It seems so logical to me that this is the way to go. And we've often setup in a very similar manner to this, but I don't feel like we've ever gotten the personnel quite right. FJ should get forward plenty here. Everyone else should be quite comfortable I'm their roles. I feel like we're working toward this. I can't believe we haven't given it more of a shot yet.
     
  22. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    No problems at fullback. Fabian starts on the left. Cameron on the right. Chandler can back up both positions. Parkhurst(if he gets a winter loan) and Castillo waiting on standby.

    The young guys gotta play lights out in january to have a chance.
     
  23. TheyCallMeBruce

    TheyCallMeBruce Member+

    Jul 22, 2013
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    So because Klinsmann said he's not calling up Yedlin or Gil, that means he won't call up Klute, who plays a different position?
     
  24. cpwilson80

    cpwilson80 Member+

    Mar 20, 2001
    Boston
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The 3-5-2 is interesting, and I think we inadvertently toyed with this shape in the first half v. Mexico.

    The nominal backline was (left to right) Beasley - Goodson - Gonzalez - Johnson. However, when we possessed the ball, Beasley and Johnson had license to move forward. Though Beckerman is the true holding mid, Jones drifted in to the right-sided space. From a distribution standpoint (imperfect, as this is passes, not passes received), Jones, Gonzalez, and Johnson occupied some of the same space:

    http://www.mlssoccer.com/sites/all/...0LDUsNiw3LDgsOSwxMCwxMSZ0aW1lPTAsMjg0NTAwMA==

    Again, I don't think there were strict instructions to hold Jones back (he had a great game and popped up elsewhere on the field), but he kept some balance with our shape. Johnson had a rough first half from a distribution standpoint, but he found himself in pretty good positions. Having a right mid like Bedoya who minds his defensive duties also helps with this approach.

    If we played with two attacking fullbacks, I wouldn't mind seeing Cameron as a central mid. He seems like the most logical candidate to float between midfield and a back three.
     
  25. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    JK seems to prefer Fabian in the midfield and it has proven to be successful.
     
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