Francesco Totti: C'è Solo un Capitano

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  1. falvo

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    Mar 27, 2005
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    #476 falvo, Jun 18, 2019
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    I don't brag about it. Looking back, although I made money off the deal, I kind of regret it now. I actually worked with an architect in Lucca and stayed with family there too. Mamma mia the Lucchesi are more "grulli" and "pigri" than the Fiorentini are. Talk about nothing getting done! Lucca is more backwards (mentally) than the southern towns of Reggio Calabria and Palermo are.


    Lucca is a nice little town though and good food too.....:thumbsup:

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  2. GamE_Ove12

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    Baldissoni runs the day to day business but every single decision has to be approved by London/Boston. This has been talked about before and proven by Sabatini and Totti's words. It is also proven by the fact that Garcia was not fired until Jimmy approved, same thing with EDF. Almost every major purchase or sale has to be approved by him. Why the ******** is that? What credentials does he have especially when thousands miles away? As business owner who knows nothing about the business, your job is to hire competent people, trust them and give them freedom to run your business, then evaluate their job accordingly. This wishy-washy structure with no clear chain of command is a recipe for disaster for any business. I doubt Liverpool owners do this, just as much I am sure the Sheikhs of City don't do this. Only Chelsea crazy owner does it to some degree but he has enough money to compensate, Jimmy doesn't.
     
  3. falvo

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    #478 falvo, Jun 18, 2019
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    I'm sure all owners and/or billionaires do things that are borderline legal but some more than others.

    I always wondered how Chelsea's owner, Roman Abramovich grew up in poverty in the USSR and 10-11 years later bought Chelsea , spent money like it was water and made them into a super club. Guess selling Nukes or bombs to Afghan rebels has that effect.
     
  4. Matrim

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    #479 Matrim, Jun 18, 2019
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    Because "He who pays the bill orders the music" as we say in my country.

    You've clearly never owned a business or have worked directly under business owners. I do both, I have done both for many years( I'm a marketing consultant, so people would usually hire me to tell them how to do their marketing). Some owners will rely on your completely, caring only for results. Others would try to understand your methods and decision making. Third would try to chime in. Fourth would do as the third, but would actually be useful. Fifth would be totally in the dark about marketing and trust you completely, even when things aren't going well, you make their decisions for them and they trust the process. Sixth is a special type you'd assume doesn't exist, but they do and they're many - that's the people who'd have an idea how they want things to be done, phrased or where they want things to be heading, they'll give you boundaries and stick to them, even when you tell them those boundaries are hampering you from helping them to make more profits. They care about profits, but they care about running everything as much as possible, to their taste.

    As a rule I try not to hire myself under the last category of people, because frankly said - it's annoying when someone is constantly obstructing you from stopping them shooting themselves in the foot. But it's also refreshing to work for someone like that, because when he asks me why things aren't going better I can shrug off and say that if they had listened to me for the advice they're paying me for, things would've been different and we could always switch to that approach. The answer with those people is always 'NO', it's not their way to relinquish too much responsibility for things they deem important, no matter how credible you are.

    As a business owner I get them to be honest. I like to be as involved in my business as possible. The wolf's neck is thick because they're handling their job by themselves as they say. It's a personal preference and it works well enough if you're suited to executing it well.

    As for other clubs - all clubs have boards of directors. They delegate budgets, but often approve/disapprove potential targets. Yes, there are people who give full control over transfers to their minnows, but not as many as you'd think - most are still involved enough to pre-approve targets and strategies and then let their sub-ordinaries to handle the actual choosing between pre-approved players/decisions.

    @falvo - it's called privatisation and it means handing government property into hands of non-government entities/people. When you kill a socialist govement you end up having lots of factories and industries that have been run by the political party and since you're a democracy now and running those companies would be pita, you divide the pie between your team-mates for peanuts, each of them becomes a billionaire, they get to know how to run those industries and make profit, you get part of the profit in your own pocket, and you tax the populus to compensate for the lost income from said factories. Abramovich is a rich poster boy who works for the Russian government by chasing his company's economic interests in a more focused and motivated fashion than a government person on salary would've done.

    The scheme works because deep in his bones Abramovich knows that it's stupid to cross someone who's tackled down a government, has gifted him billions of euros in assets and wouldn't shy from making an example of him should he stop paying his 'taxes'.
     
  5. GamE_Ove12

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    Sure let Jimmy set on the board of directors and approve strategies and long term visions. Nothing wrong with that. You want to be an involved owner? Bring your ass to Trigoria and learn how things actually work on day to day basis instead of relying on informants and 2nd hand information. Trying to control the club from Boston is evidently not working and won't ever work. You either hire competent people and let them work freely, or be an actual president in the house.

    Loose business teaches employees how to steal- a middle eastern proverb I heard from the restaurant owner down my street and can't agree with more.
     
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  6. Matrim

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    The problem isn't that the main decision maker is in Boston, it's that the 2nd in command is in London and there are too many people who'd like to be 3rd in command at home.

    All Jimmy needs to do to stabilize things is to hire someone to whom he can delegate an almost absolute authority and send him to Rome. That way you have someone on-side keeping your interests and keeping everyone staring at the target.
     
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  7. falvo

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    Totti did say though that EDF wanted 4/5 players and didn’t even get 1.

    He also said they (the ownership) can fool others but not him. Unless I misunderstood, he said that every time they asked for his input , he was always rebuffed.
     
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  8. falvo

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    #483 falvo, Jun 18, 2019
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    We have the same thing in America. The Democrats and even the Republicans who hide behind the law pretending “to help the poor” while they all align their deep pockets.

    Tying it back to sports and Roma indirectly , I always hear owners complain or how much they “lose”. Year after year though, they continue to own the clubs and somehow, I doubt they really lose that much in reality. I think Rosella was at the end of her rope so she had no choice but to sell.
     
  9. falvo

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  10. falvo

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  11. Henchag

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    Competition your facing matters two. When Franco Sensi took over in 1993, from 1993 to 2011 the Sensi era Serie A won the CL 5 times. WE were denied scudetto titles to teams that eventually end up winning CL ( Ancelotti Milan ,Mourinho Inter ) .Since Americans took over, Serie A didnt deliver same success as those days.

    In addition We lost 7 - 1 a one off vs Manchester United IMO. But since americans came over we started losing 7 - 1 to Bayern 6 - 1 to Barca 7 - 1 to Fiorentina.. and this has to do alot with coaches we are hiring. Now same shit with Fonseca, and if it wasnt Fonseca probably De Zerbi was getting hired. Same stuff.Di Francesco, Zeman, Enrique all same school. The americans have the idea that playing attacking football/open football fans will enjoy the team.They think playing highscoring game fans will enjoy the team. They priortise that over results. Maybe some will enjoy it but sure as hell I am part of fans who would enjoy winning playing boring football then losing trying to play attacking football.
     
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  12. La Magica

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    Fun game this turned out for the other week. Everyone was kind of half trying.

    Then Borriello at 1.54 steps up with a "fcuk it"
     
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  13. Shen-O

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    My favorite 3 things when I first watched it,
    Totti opening it up with a trademark pass over the top
    Pires replies...with the most Pires finish ever
    Cassano splitting 2 players with 1 pass, setting up Totti for the tap-in
     
  14. Hustle and Flow

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    My takeaway is that Totti's imagination/creativity/vision stands out even when fcuking around with a bunch of retired dudes.

    Also, Pirlo played like me when I'm hungover. I respect that.
     
  15. Salmeen10

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  16. La Magica

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    I cant hear you over the sound of the 3-3-Totti-3
     
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  18. Henchag

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    17 giugno 2019
    Totti: oggi era meglio morire


    5 luglio 2019
    Totti: nun me manca niente della Roma
     
  21. Tottino

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    Mar 19, 2005
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    Your running away with this headline just like the person who started it as click bait. I watched his interview he never said that.

    He said hes not following what's going on but Hope's petrachi can do good work. And then said he hasnt heard from anyone from the club. That's all that was said about Roma
     
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  22. Il Ciuccio

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    pero lui sa tutto.
     
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  24. La Magica

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    The same website that published the "Olsen has made us all forget about Alisson" article?
     
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