Formations Thread - 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 / 3-4-3

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  1. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Ground covered gets tricky. Strikers who defend set pieces for teams under the kosh will gets loads of distance jogging up and down the pitch.

    The far better judge of exertion is number of sprints and distance sprinted.
     
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  2. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    There are few things more misleading in football than a Wayne Rooney heat map.
     
  3. Professor Brainfart

    Dec 23, 2016
    Planet Reality
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Wayne Rooney heat-map

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  4. J'can

    J'can Member+

    Jul 3, 2007
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    reminds me of a piece i saw with Cryuff when someone talked about his speed. His response was it is hard to tell if i am faster than X player because by the time we both start running flat out, I (Cryuff) have already adjust my postioning long before the ball gets there to negate the other players speed. something to that effect.

    Smarts and intelligence gets beaten down quite a bit in favor of flash and valor!
     
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  5. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    This is a really smart and intelligent point.

    Mods!!! J'Can's account has been hijacked!! :p :D
     
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  6. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
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    It's Cruijff.
     
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  7. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
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    It depends entirely on your definition of "from" the wing. Martial from the wing is fine. Mata from the wing is not. We need to ensure we maintain width, balance on either flank and do not hinder Pogba.
     
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  8. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Nah, Martial, Mata and Mkhi would all do things differently, but they'd all do fine in a set up where there wingbacks provided width and there was movement up front and we could win the ball early with a high line.
     
  9. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
  10. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Liked the 3-5-2 system vs Chelsea, sure it was implemented in a very specific way with two man makers (2-4-2 vs 3-4-1 with the man markers / man marked out of the game). But think this system could have other uses for us at times in the future, as can give Pogs a more free role and can give Rash or Ibra some more connected support.

    Also with Spurs to play could imagine something similar with for example Herrera on Alli (and possibly Darmian on Erikson).
     
  11. El_Mittinho_ii

    May 31, 2015
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    (Spurs fan posting)

    It's an interesting point given that on paper the 3 4 2 1 formations are quite similar. However, for all the talk of Chelsea's squad depth, their formation was ruined before kick off with a single injury to Marcos Alonso - Azpilicueta is not really a wing back on his natural side, let alone the left - he's a stay at home traditional full back. Herrera as the right sided midfielder was free to follow Hazard wherever he went because the overlap wasn't there.

    Chelsea's first 11 is incredibly strong and they have a few good options (Fabregas, Batshuayi, Pedro/Willian, Zouma) but Alonso and Moses don't have backups and their whole setup is screwed when one or both are missing.

    Danny Rose or Ben Davies are both natural fits playing on the left, Alli or Eriksen coming off the left would leave a hole for whoever plays to exploit, leaving a straightforward 1 vs 1 duel against Valencia (which would make for an excellent watch, really good battle on paper).
     
  12. Teso Dos Bichos

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    Sep 2, 2004
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    I'm still dubious as to the formation we used against Chelsea as the marking instructions given to Darmian (Pedro) and Herrera (Hazard) completely distorted the shape and any heat maps or average positions for them. Add to this Lingard playing his regular "roaming" game.
     
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  13. Gnome

    Gnome Member+

    Nov 5, 2013
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    It was more of an asymmetric 442 than anything else. Herrera as a wide right midfielder that tucked in.
     

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