Forgotten great teams

Discussion in 'Soccer History' started by Excape Goat, Jan 10, 2007.

  1. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    C.A. San Lorenzo de Almagro - 1946 - Argentina

    Titles:
    Argentina - Domestic Championship 1946

    Formation:

    ----------------- Blazina -----------------

    ---------- J. Vanzini ----Basso ------------
    A. Zubieta ------ S. Grecco ------ Colombo

    ---------- A. Farro -- R. Martino -----------
    --- Imbellone ---- R. Pontoni ---- E. Silva ---

    Stars:
    Rinaldo Martino - LIF or "entreala izquierdo"
    René Pontoni - CF or "centrodelantero"
    Armando Farro - RIF or "entreala izquierdo"
    Ángel Zubieta - RH or "half derecho"
    Oscar Basso - CB or "back central"

    More info:
    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Terceto_de_Oro#Plantel
    http://www.somoscuervos.com.ar/clarin_recordo_al_san_lorenzo_de_1946-itemap-1-2562-1.htm
    http://www.museodesanlorenzo.com.ar/contenido/jugadores/torneos/1941/1946/Tabla posiciones.htm
    http://www.museodesanlorenzo.com.ar/contenido/jugadores/torneos/1941/1946/gira/Gira.htm
     
  2. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    Club Nacional de Football - 1939/1943 - Uruguay

    "El Quinquenio de Oro."


    Titles:
    Uruguay - Domestic Championship: 5x - 39/40/41/42/43
    Honor Cup: 5x - 39/40/41/42/43
    Río de la Plata Cup: 2x - 40/42

    Best Formation:

    ---------------------- Aníbal Paz ------------------ Gk

    ------------ Héctor Romero - Raúl Pini -------------- CBs
    Schubert Gambetta -- Rodolfo Pini -- Eugenio Galvalisi HVs

    ----------- Aníbal Ciocca ----- Roberto Porta ------- IFs
    Luis Ernesto Castro -- Atilio García -- Bibiano Zapirain WGs CF

    Stars:
    All the offensive line.
    L.E. Castro , A. Ciocca, A.Garcia, R. Porta and Zapirain.


    One of the best teams ever.

    More info:
    http://www.nacionaldigital.com/historia/Hechos/el_quinquenio_de_oro.htm
    http://www.futbolshow.s5.com/los12.htm
    http://www.nacional.com.uy/mvdcms/uc_34_1.html
     
  3. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    Club Atlético Peñarol - 1949 - Uruguay

    "La Maquina del 49."


    Titles:
    Uruguay - Domestic Championship: 1x - 1949
    Honor Cup: 1x - 1949
    Torneo Competencia: 1x - 1949

    Basic Formation:

    ----------------- R. Máspoli ------------------- GK

    ------------- E. Hugo --- S. Possamai ---------- CBs
    J.C. Gonzáles --- O. Jacinto Varela --- W. Ortuño HVs

    -------- J.E. Hohberg ------ J.A. Schiaffino ----- IFs
    -- A. Ghiggia ------- O. Míguez ------- E. Vidal - WGs CF

    Stars:
    A. Ghiggia
    J.A. Schiaffino
    O. Jacinto Varela
    O. Míguez
    J.E. Hohberg
    R. Máspoli


    More info:
    http://www.amarilloynegro.com.uy/historia/maquina_49.php
    http://www.somospenarol.com/data/contenido.php?idCont=30&titulo=la-historia-1891-1949
    http://zonacharrua.com/futbol/edicion3/maquina.html
     
  4. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Nice teams :cool:

    Nacional was arguably the best SA team at early 40s.
    I would add as stars: Anibal Paz & Schubert Gambetta:
     
  5. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Country:
    Italy
    What a great side! Most of them played for Uruguay in their 1950 World Cup win.
     
  6. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    C. R. Vasco da Gama - 1944/1952 - Brazil

    "Expresso da Vitória."


    Titles:
    Carioca - RJ State Championship: 5x - 45/47/49/50/52
    Municipal Tourney - RJ City: 4x - 44/45/46/47
    Relâmpago Tourney: 2x - 44-46
    Início Tourney: 3x - 44/45/48
    South-American Champions Championship: 1x - 1948

    Formations:
    1944:
    Barcheta
    Sampaio - Rafanelli
    Berascochea - Dino - Argemiro
    Djalma - Lelé - Isaías - Ademir - Chico

    1945:
    Rodrigues
    Augusto - Rafanelli
    Berascochea - Eli - Argemiro
    Djalma - Lelé - Isaías - Jair - Chico

    1946:
    Barcheta
    Augusto - Rafanelli (Sampaio)
    Eli - Danilo - Jorge
    Djalma - Lelé - Isaías - Jair - Chico

    1947:
    Barbosa
    Augusto -Rafanelli
    Eli - Danilo - Jorge
    Djalma - Maneca - Dimas - Lelé - Chico.

    1948:
    Barbosa
    Augusto - Wilson
    Eli - Danilo - Jorge
    Djalma - Maneca - Friaça - Ademir - Chico

    1949:
    Barbosa
    Augusto - Sampaio
    Eli - Danilo - Alfredo
    Nestor - Ademir - Heleno - Maneca - Mário

    1950:
    Barbosa
    Augusto - Laerte
    Eli - Danilo - Jorge
    Alfredo - Ipojucan - Ademir - Maneca - Dejair

    1951:
    Barbosa
    Augusto - Clarel
    Eli - Danilo - Jorge
    Tesourinha - Ipojucan - Ademir - Maneca - Friaça

    1952:
    Barbosa
    Augusto - Haroldo
    Eli - Danilo - Jorge
    Sabará - Maneca - Ademir - Ipojucan - Chico

    Stars:
    Lelé, Chico, Ademir de Menezes, Jair da Rosa Pinto, Barbosa, Augusto, Eli, Danilo Alvim, Jorge, Friaça, Maneca, Ipojucan and Tesourinha.


    More info:
    http://www.netvasco.com.br/mauroprais/vasco/histor3.html#formacao
    http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expresso_da_Vitória
    http://www.netvasco.com.br/mauroprais/vasco/equipes.html
    http://www.netvasco.com.br/mauroprais/vasco/titulos.html
    http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campeonato_Sul-Americano_de_Campeões
     
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  7. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    Club Estudiantes de la Plata - 1928/1933 - Argentina

    "Los Profesores."


    Titles:
    None

    Argentina - Domestic Championship:
    3rd place - 1928 (Amateur Era)
    2nd place - 1930 (Amateur Era)
    3rd place - 1931

    Best Formation:

    ----------------- E. Scandone ------------------- GK

    ------------- A. Nery --- R. Rodríguez ---------- CBs
    A. Viola --------- U. Uslenghi ---- F. Pérez Escalá HVs

    ---------- A. Scopelli ------ M. Ferreira --------- IFs
    -- M. Lauri ------- A. Zozaya ------- E. Guaita - WGs CF

    Stars:
    The offensive line - Miguel Angel Lauri, Alejandro Scopelli, Alberto Zozaya, Manuel Ferreira and Enrique Guaita.


    Sources:
    http://martinestevez.blogspot.com/2008/01/blog-post.html
    http://edant.clarin.com/diario/2002/03/16/d-01601.htm
    http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/1115756/La-Catedra-de-Futbol-_Equot_los-profesoresEquot_.html
    http://cartasesfericas.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/los-profesores/
     
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  8. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    Valencia C.F. - 1940/1949 - Spain

    "La Delantera Eléctrica."



    Titles:

    Spain - Domestic Championship:
    Champion: 3x - 42/44/47
    2nd place: 2x - 48/49

    Copa del Generalísimo - Spanish Cup:
    Champion: 2x - 41/49
    2nd place: 3x - 44/45/46

    Best Formation:

    ---------------- I. Eizaguirre -------------- GK

    ---------- Álvaro P. ---- J. Ramón --------- CBs
    H. Ortúzar ------ C. Iturraspe ----- S. Lecue HVs

    --------- Amadeo I. ---- V. Asensi ---------- IFs
    ------ Epi F. ----- Mundo S. ---- G. Gorostiza WGs CF

    Stars:
    I. Eizaguirre
    J. Ramón
    And, the offensive line: Epi, Amadeo, Mundo, Asensi and Gorostiza.


    Sources:
    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delantera_eléctrica
    http://www.ciberche.net/historia/la-historia-del-valencia/los-anos-40
    http://blog.superdeporte.es/elvalen...lenciaenelrecuerdo/category/decada-de-los-40/
    http://www.osclassicos.com/1999/03/o-valencia-cf-de-1948-49.html
     
  9. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    Associação PORTUGUESA de Desportos - 1951/1955 - Brazil


    Titles:

    Rio-São Paulo Tournament:
    Champion: 2x - 52/55

    State Championship - Invictos Cup:
    Champion: 1955

    San Izidro Cup (Spain):
    Champion: 1951

    International Tours:
    Fita Azul - 1951
    Fita Azul - 1953
    Fita Azul - 1954


    Best Formations:

    1952
    Muca
    Nena - Noronha
    Djalma Santos - Brandãozinho - Ceci
    Renato - Pïnga
    Julinho - Nininho - Simão

    1955
    Cabeção
    Nena - Floriano
    Djalma Santos - Brandãozinho - Zinho
    Ipojucan - Edmur
    Julinho - Airton - Ortega

    Stars:
    Brandãozinho, Djalma Santos, Ipojucan, Julinho Botelho and Pïnga.


    Links:
    http://cacellain.com.br/blog/?p=11105
    http://cacellain.com.br/blog/?p=11092
    http://terceirotempo.bol.uol.com.br/noticia/A_Portuguesa_atraves_dos_tempos_Por_Mario_Lopomo-60534
    http://almalusa.net/campeonato_rio_sao_paulo.html
    http://www.sitedalusa.com/competicao/58-torneio-rio-sao-paulo/365-torneio-rio-sao-paulo-1955.html
    http://www.sitedalusa.com/competica...torneio-rio-sao-paulo-1952-ficha-tecnica.html
     
  10. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Hi Maniac,
    Great posts and nice teams :cool:

    I'm curious about Portuguesa line-ups. Reading your sources seems like they played 2-3-5 in those times (mid 50s)
     
  11. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    Thanks msioux! ;)

    About Portuguesa's formation, you are right, it was a 2-3-5.

    Muca - GK (goleiro)
    Nena - Noronha - CB (zagueiros)
    Djalma Santos - Brandãozinho - Ceci - RH (lateral direito) CH (Volante) LH (lateral esquerdo) - famous "linha-média" (middle line)
    Renato - Pïnga - IFs (meias direita e esquerda)
    Julinho - Nininho - Simão - WGs and CF (pontas direita e esquerta and centro-avante)

    Just to clarify, their classification as english standards and how is seen in Brazil.
     
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  12. la saeta rubia

    Aug 1, 2010
    Argentina/España
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Country:
    Argentina
    Alfredo Di Stefano was asked recently in the Spanish media to name the five greatest forwards of all time.His reply.
    MUÑOZ,PEDERNERA,MORENO,LABRUNA AND LOUSTEAU
    The forward line of La.Maquina.Di Stefano replaced Pedernera in 1946 and played with him in the Ballet Azul in the late forties.He has always maintained even in the Madrid press the greatest team he played in wasnt Madrids five European cups in a row team but La Maquina of River
     
  13. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    The Lowcountry
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Country:
    Argentina
    That's a hard pill for some to swallow. This current era Barca team isn't even on the level of La Maquina.
     
  14. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Country:
    Argentina
    It's hard to compare different eras but there's no doubt in my mind that La Maquina was a precursor of Guardiola's system, as was Hugary and later Ajax/Holland. What Pep did was return to the total football model that once was seen as the future of football but has proven so elusive in recent years.

    By all accounts, La Maquina controlled the ball and the tempo of the game in a similar manner as Barcelona does today.

    And I don't remember if I brought them up earlier in this long lasting thread, but speaking of Di Stefano, I have to mention another great team of the past, the Boca Juniors from the late 60's that he coached.

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    Most common lineup:

    .......................Roma
    Suñé....Meléndez....Rogel....Marzolini
    .....Novello....Madurga....Medina
    ......Ponce...Angel Rojas...Peña

    The great Rojitas!!!
     
  15. VicVR6

    VicVR6 Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Country:
    Portugal
    Since it was Portuguese immigrants that founded that team, were any of those players either Portuguese or 1st or 2nd generation luso-brasileiros? just curious
     
  16. tony-soprano37

    Dec 5, 2008
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Country:
    England
    i think la maquina is well known by real football fans, but i agree with the barcelona of the late 50ies.
    to bad real madrid had an even greater team but just look at the names in that barca squad. luis suarez, czibor, kubala (very underrated player) and koscis (one of the greatest strikers ever) normally such a team would win at least 1 or 2 european cups in a few years time
     
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  17. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Deportivo Wanka, Semen Padang, Dinamo Bender, Fotballaget Fart
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Country:
    United States
    American Samoa 2001... if goals is your thing.. this was your team.. conceded a total of 57 goals in 4 WCQ games, 31 against Australia. Great fun watching!
     
  18. RoyOfTheRovers

    Jul 24, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Country:
    England




    [It's odd that in the "officially stamped" UEFA sanctioned/passed-down version of the story that it always fails to get mentioned that Kocsis scored Honved's opening goal from a Puskas free-kick that was given after Ron Flowers had almost certainly been incorrectly called for handball...]
     
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  19. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Mr. Roy, do you know examples of those "official" variants of the story and where they were published?
     
  20. RoyOfTheRovers

    Jul 24, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Country:
    England


    [I think that you mean "version" not "variant"; but I was actually there @ Molineux in '54. But, since you seem to want verification:







    The film blurs a bit in that version but it looks almost certain that Flowers was incorrectly called for handball according to the rules of the day in the incident that lead to Kocsis scoring from Puskas' free-kick. The newsreel presenter even comments on the fact that it was a controversial call against Wolves. LMK if you need me to give you the location in the video and I'll try and find a tad clearer re-play of the specific incident.]
     
  21. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    No I directly believed you but I was curious about those versions you mentioned.
     
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  22. RoyOfTheRovers

    Jul 24, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Country:
    England



    [Ah, you're rather coming into the middle of a few conversations that "Greg" and I have been engaged in for a while (we talk via PM as well): I was more talking about how you never seem to hear/read about things like the handball call against Flowers when this match gets discussed...]
     
  23. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Thanks for clarification mr. Roy

    Yes, and do you know examples of those official 'UEFA approved' (quotation marks) versions?
     
  24. Flux W. Wild

    Flux W. Wild Member

    Jan 7, 2013
    Club:
    FC Kaiserslautern
    The 1. FC Kaiserslautern team of the early fifties with Kohlmeyer, Liebrich, Eckel, Fritz Walter and Ottmar Walter. They created the core of the World Cup winning team of Germany 1954 and won 2 Championships and were runners up twice more at that time.
     
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  25. Gustaw Rząsiński

    Gustaw Rząsiński New Member

    Oct 9, 2015
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Some teams from Argentina.
    Boca Juniors 1931,34-35. The three great forwards Francisco Varallo, Delfín Benítez Cáceres and Roberto Cherro.
    River Plate 1936-37. The great offensive five: Carlos Peucelle, Renato Cesarini, Bernabé Ferreyra, José Manuel Moreno, Adolfo Pedernera (later one of the greatest centerforwards). Bernabé scored 219 goals in 198 games and had to retire at the age of 30 because of the hits he took in his legs.
    Independiente 1938-39. On of the most offensive teams in Argentine history. Maril, De la Mata, Erico, Sastre and Zorrilla were the forwards. The great Paraguayan Arsenio Pastor Erico was the top scorer several times. One year he scored 47 goals in 34 games.
    River Plate 1952-53 and 1955-57 won five championships in six years.
    GK: Amadeo Carrizo (all years)
    RB: Oscar Mantegari (all years)
    CB: Alfredo Pérez (all years)
    LB: Lidoro Soria (1952-53)/Federico Vairo (1955-57)
    RM: Julio Venini (1952-53 and 55)/Néstor Rossi (1955-57)
    LM: Héctor Ferrari(1952-53)/Pascasio Sola (1953,55-57)/Juan Urriolabeitía (1957)
    RW: Santiago Vernazza (1952-53,55-56)/Héctor De Bourgoing (1957)
    RIF: Eliseo Prado (all years)/Enrique Omar Sívori (1955-56)
    CF: Walter Gómez (1952-53,55)/Norberto Menéndez (1955-57)
    LIF: Ángel Labruna (all years)
    LW: Félix Loustau (all years mainly 1952-52,55)/Roberto Zárate (mainly 1956-57).
     

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