Forgotten great teams

Discussion in 'Soccer History' started by Excape Goat, Jan 10, 2007.

  1. RoyOfTheRovers

    Jul 24, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Country:
    England
    [I remember hearing about this in the papers & on the wireless when I was a lad. It was indeed a dark day for the world of football, not just in Italy. It was essentially the equivalent of what the '58 Munich air crash was for Man. Utd. & England IMHO.]
     
  2. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Country:
    Italy
    Not only that, most people will say that if Superga didn't occur, Italy would have performed much better at Brazil 50. IMO, I reckon the Azzurri could have won a third consuctive World Cup.

    In the early 50s, the Milan clubs were becoming a force so one would wonder if Milan's Gre-No-Li attack or Inter with Nacka Skoglund, Faas Wilkes and Benito Lorenzi could have competed against Il Grande Torino or ended their domination.

    Torino has had some crap presidents over the years and the current one, Cairo, is a stooge. If they had a proper president, they could have built themselves as decent side in the Serie A and not a mediocre one Serie B. I doubt they'll find a president that will make them a power once again. To me, that 1975-76 title win was a one-off and looks set to remain their only scudetto post-Superga.
     
  3. NorthbankHighbury

    Jan 25, 2009
    Liberty, MO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Country:
    England
    I didn't see a mention of 1960s Benfica in here. Eusabio, Two European Cups, 3 Other European Cup final appearances, and 8 League Titles.

    Late 70s Nottingham Forest. A League title, runners up, two League Cups (it meant something back then), Two European Cups, UEFA Super Cup, and the Intercontinental.

    Early to mid 80s Aberdeen. Remember life without the Old Firm running things? Champions: 1979–80; 1983–84; 1984–85, Scottish Cup Winners: 1982; 1983; 1984; 1986, League Cup 1986-86; European Cup Winners Cup in 1983, European Super Cup 1983. This dude called Alex Ferguson was in charge .... I don't think people realize quite how much Aberdeen won in how short a period.
     
  4. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Country:
    Italy
    Benfica in the 60s are highly-regarded by most football historians.

    I'm unsure on Notts Forest. I think individual players from that team are forgotten by fans and not the team's achievements.

    Aberdeen is a fair call. Some people overrate Ferguson because of what he has done at Man U and I don't rate him as highly as other great managers because Scotland were shocking at Mexico 86. His stint at Aberdeen shows that he already knew how to put a quality side together without the need of millions that he has had at Man U.
     
  5. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    When hasn't Scotland been shocking at a World Cup? :p
    Actually, I think it's a bit harsh because Scotland were in what many considered before the tournament to be the 'group of death' and held up okay against Denmark and West Germany. Of course, the bottom line is to win and Scotland couldn't produce against ten-men Uruguay when it was required for advancement.
     
  6. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    Millonarios 1949-1953 "El Ballet Azul" *Colombia
    Titles:
    Professional Colombian Championship: 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953 - Runner-up: 1950
    Colombian Cup: 1952-53 - Runner-up: 1951-52
    Campeonato Bodas de Oro del Real Madrid en Marzo de 1952
    Pequeña Copa del Mundo: 1953 - Runner-up: 1952

    1949 - Millonarios
    Alcides AGUILERA [URU], Tomás AVES, Pedro CABILLÓN [ARG], Alfredo CASTILLO [ARG], Alfonso CORREA, Oscar CORZO [ARG], Alfredo DI STÉFANO [ARG], Manuel FANDIÑO, Rafael GRANADOS, Alfredo MOSQUERA [PER], Danilo MOURMAN [BRA], Gabriel OCHOA URIBE, Angel OTERO, Adolfo PEDERNERA [ARG], Rubén ROCHA, Néstor Raúl ROSSI [ARG], Ismael SORIA [PER], Rafael VALEK, Francisco ZULUAGA. Coach: Carlos ALDABE [ARG]

    1951 - Millonarios
    Alcides AGUILERA [URU], Tomás AVES, Antonio BAEZ [ARG], Alfredo CASTILLO [ARG], Julio COZZI [ARG], Alfredo DI STÉFANO [ARG], Alfredo MOSQUERA [PER], Reinaldo MOURÍN [ARG], Gabriel OCHOA URIBE, Adolfo PEDERNERA [ARG], Raúl PINI [URU], Julio César RAMÍREZ [PAR], Hugo REYES [ARG], Néstor Raúl ROSSI [ARG], Ismael SORIA [PER], Francisco ZULUAGA. Coach: Adolfo PEDERNERA [ARG]

    1952 - Millonarios
    Alcides AGUILERA [URU], Julio AVILA [ARG], Antonio BAEZ [ARG], Jorge BENEGAS [ARG], Julio COZZI [ARG], Alfredo DI STÉFANO [ARG], Mario FERNANDEZ [ARG], Alfredo MOSQUERA [PER], Reinaldo MOURÍN [ARG], Gabriel OCHOA URIBE, Adolfo PEDERNERA [ARG], Raúl PINI [URU], Julio César RAMÍREZ [PAR], Hugo REYES [ARG], Néstor Raúl ROSSI [ARG], Ismael SORIA [PER], Felipe STEMBERG [ARG], Francisco ZULUAGA.
    Coach: Adolfo PEDERNERA [ARG]

    1953 - Millonarios
    Julio ARAGÓN, Julio AVILA [ARG], Jorge BENEGAS [ARG], Oscar CONTRERAS [ARG], Julio COZZI [ARG], Narciso DE CASTRO, Alfredo DI STÉFANO [ARG] (before May), Mario FERNÁNDEZ [ARG], Hermel HERNÁNDEZ, Roberto MARTINEZ [ARG], Reinaldo MOURÍN [ARG], Gabriel OCHOA URIBE,
    Adolfo PEDERNERA [ARG], Raúl PINI [URU], Julio César RAMÍREZ [PAR], Néstor Raúl ROSSI [ARG], Ismael SORIA [PER], Felipe STEMBERG [ARG], Jacinto VILLALBA [PER], Ramón VILLAVERDE [URU], Francisco ZULUAGA. Coach: Adolfo PEDERNERA [ARG]


    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballet_Azul#Millonarios.2C_el_Ballet_Azul
    spanish link
     
  7. kingkong1

    kingkong1 New Member

    Nov 12, 2007
    Rio, Brazil
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Country:
    Brazil
    It would be interesting to check - since Colombia at that time was a country even poorer than today where came from the resources (or the 'millionaire' :D) - to buy all those stars since they kept signing great players in the following years: if I'm not wrong, Zizinho, Garrincha, Didi & many others (generally retired or in end of career).
     
  8. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    Racing Club de Avellaneda 1949-1951

    Titles:
    Argentine Championship: 1949, 1950 and 1951

    Squads:

    1949:
    Antonio Rodriguez;
    Higinio Garcia, Palma;
    Fonda, Rastelli , Ernesto Gutierrez;
    Salvini, Mendez, Bravo, Simes, Sued (or Gagliardo).

    1950:
    Antonio Rodriguez;
    Higinio Garcia, Garcia Perez;
    Fonda, Rastelli, Ernesto Gutierrez;
    Boye, Mendez, Bravo, Simes, Sued.

    1951:
    Antonio Rodriguez;
    Higinio Garcia, Garcia Perez;
    J.C.Giménez, Rastelli y Ernesto Gutierrez;
    Boye, Mendez, Blanco (or Ameal),Simes, Sued.
     
  9. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Country:
    Italy
    Do you know how their starting line-up would have looked like? This is what I can think of:

    -------------------- Cozzi

    ---------------- ???? ---- ????

    ---------- ???? ---- N Rossi ---- ????

    ???? ---- Di Stefano ---- Pedernera ---- ???? ---- ????

    True on both counts. Scotland has never done well at a World Cup and the other teams in their group were stronger on paper anyway. Ferguson has gained such a huge reputation over he years though so one wonders if he could have made some smarter decisions at the time.

    Alan Hansen and Kenny Dalglish weren't in the team for some reason.
     
  10. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    Yes, i know.

    Millonarios 1949-1953 "El Ballet Azul"

    --------------------------- Julio COZZI [ARG] -------------------------

    ------- Francisco ZULUAGA [COL] ---- Raúl PINI [URU] ------------------

    Julio César RAMÍREZ [PAR] - Néstor Raúl ROSSI [ARG] - Ismael SORIA [PER]

    ------------ Antonio BAEZ [ARG] -------- Adolfo PEDERNERA [ARG] -----
    Hugo REYES [ARG] -- Alfredo DI STÉFANO [ARG] -- Reinaldo MOURÍN [ARG]
     
  11. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Country:
    Italy
    Thanks for that. People talk about them because of Di Stefano but there isn't enough information about them, especially in English.
     
  12. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    FC Schalke 04 32-42 - Germany

    Titles:

    Bundesliga - Division 1:
    Champion: 1933/34, 1934/35, 1936/37, 1938/39, 1939/40, 1941/42.
    Vice-champion: 1932/33, 1937/38, 1940/41.

    Germany Cup - DFB Pokal:
    Winner: 1936/37.
    Runner up: 1934/35, 1935/36, 1940/41, 1941/42.

    1934
    Mellage
    Bornemann, Zajons
    Tibulski, Szepan, Valentin
    Kalwitzki, Gellesch, Pörtgen, Kuzorra, Urban

    1935
    Mellage
    Bornemann, Nattkemper
    Tibulski, Szepan, Valentin
    Kalwitzki, Gellesch, Pörtgen, Kuzorra, Urban

    1937
    Klodt
    Bornemann, Schweißfurt
    Gellesch, Tibulski, Berg
    Kalwitzki, Szepan, Pörtgen, Kuzorra, Urban

    1939
    Klodt
    Bornemann, Schweißfurt
    Gellesch, Tibulski, Berg
    Eppenhoff, Szepan, Kalwitzki, Kuzorra, Urban

    1940
    Klodt
    Bornemann, Hinz
    Füller, Tibulski, Burdenski
    Eppenhoff, Szepan, Kalwitzki, Kuzorra, Schuh

    1942
    Flotho
    Hinz, Schweißfurt
    Bornemann, Tibulski, Burdenski
    Kalwitzki, Szepan, Eppenhoff, Kuzorra, Urban

    The Best:
    ------------- Klodt -----------

    --- Bornemann --- Schweißfurt

    Gellesch --- Tibulski --- Berg --

    ----- Szepan ----- Kuzorra ---
    Kalwitzki --- Pörtgen --- Urban
     
  13. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Country:
    Italy
    They dominated the German League in that era but I think only Szepan was regularly capped. Schalke played a short-passing game based on possession whereas the national team played in a more direct manner and that's why the others weren't really looked at for call-ups. Kuzorra didn't win many caps himself.
     
  14. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    Hafia Football Club 71-79 - Conakry, Guinea

    Titles:

    African Cup of Champions Clubs
    Champion: 1972, 1975, 1977
    Runner-up: 1976, 1978

    Guinea National Championship

    Champion: 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979

    Best Formation:

    ------------ Abdoulaye "Banks" Keita Sylla ---------------

    -------- Ali Keita "Kolev"------ Cherif Souleymane --------
    Kerfalla Bangoura --------------------------- -Djibril Diarra

    ----- Soumah Soriba "Edenté"---- Thiam Ousmane Tollo -----


    Ali "Petit Sory" Keita ----------------------- Bengally Sylla
    --- Naby Laye "Papa" Camara -- Mamadou "N’jolea" Keita ---

    Subs:

    Goalkeeper:
    Morciré Sylla (1972-GK; 1975-DH; 1977-CB)

    Defense:

    Jacob Bangoura
    Ibrahim "Calvo" Fofana
    Saumah Mamadouba

    Midfield:
    Ismael "Eusebio" Sylla

    Attack:
    Maxime Camara

    Stars:
    Cherif Souleymane and Petit Sory
     
  15. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    C.A. Paulistano 1925 - "Les Rois du Footbol" = Os Reis do Futebol - Brazil

    Trip To Europe:
    15/03 - Paris - Paulistano 7 x 1 France (Goals: Friedenreich (03), Mário, Netinho, Araken e Filó)
    22/03 - Paris - Paulistano 3 x 1 Stade Français (Goals: Freidenreich, Mário e Barthô)
    28/03 - Sette - Paulistano 0 x 1 Sette
    02/04 - Bordeaux - Paulistano 4 x 0 Bastidienne (Goals: Friedenreich (03) e Araken.
    04/04 - Havre - Paulistano 2 x 1 Normandie (Goals: Friedenreich e Netinho)
    10/04 - Strasbourg- Paulistano 2 x 1 Strasbourg (Gols: Friedenreich e Seixas)
    11/04 - Bern - Paulistano 2 x 0 Auto Tour (Goals: Filó e Mário)
    13/04 - Zurique - Paulistano 1 x 0 Switzerland (Goal: Mário)
    19/04 - Rouen - Paulistano 3 x 2 Rouen (Goals: Mário (02) e Friedenreich)
    28/04 - Lisbon - Paulistano 2 x 0 Portugal (Goals: Filó e Friedenreich)

    10 games
    9V - 0D - 1L

    Team:

    ------------ Nestor ------------

    ---- Clodoaldo -- Barthô --------

    Sergio ----- Nondas ----- Abatte

    ------- Mário ---- Araken -------
    Filó ---- Friedenreich ---- Netinho

    Reserves:

    Goalkeeper:
    Kaltz

    Defense:
    Caetano
    Guarani

    Midfield:
    Juan
    Maurílio

    Attack:
    Seixas
    Junqueira

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1kXX1nfXTk&feature=player_embedded#"]YouTube- Brésil 7 x 2 France - 1925[/ame]
     
  16. ManiacButcher

    ManiacButcher Member

    May 23, 2004
    Brasil
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Brazil
    Lille OSC 45-55 - France

    French League/ Division 1:
    Champion (2): 1945/46, 1953/54.
    Vice-champion (4): 1947/48, 1948/49, 1949/50, 1950/51.

    French Cup:
    Champion(5): 1945/46, 1946/47, 1947/48, 1952/53, 1954/55.
    Runner-up (2): 1944/45, 1948/49.

    Stars:
    Jean Baratte, Bolek Tempowski, Marceau Somerlinck and Jean Vincent.

    Greatest teams

    1945/46
    Hatz
    Jadrejak - Prévost - Sommerlinck
    Bourbotte - Carré
    Baratte - Tempowski
    Vandooren - Bihel - Lechantre

    1946/47
    Germain
    Jadrejak - Prévost - Sommerlinck
    Dubreucq - Bigot
    Tempowski - Carré
    Vandooren - Baratte - Lechantre

    1947/48
    Wittkowski
    Jadrejak - Prévost - Sommerlinck
    Dubreucq - Bigot
    Tempowski - Carré
    Vandooren - Baratte - Lechantre

    1952/53
    Ruminski
    Pazur - Van der Hart - Vuye
    Bieganski - Sommerlinck
    Strappe - Vincent
    Jensen - Baratte - Lefèvre

    1953/54
    Ruminski
    Pazur - Van der Hart - Lemaître
    Bieganski - Sommerlinck
    Douis - Vincent
    Bourbotte - Strappe - Lefèvre

    1954/55
    Van Gool
    Pazur - Bieganski - Lemaître
    Clauws - Sommerlinck
    Douis - Vincent
    Bourbotte - Strappe - Lefèvre
     
  17. lost

    lost Member

    May 24, 2006
    England
  18. Hibs_Vini

    Hibs_Vini New Member

    Apr 9, 2010
    Club:
    Hibernian FC
    Country:
    Ireland Republic
    And yet a team from Scotland, Hibernian went to Barcelona and drew 4-4 with them, incidently Hibs were leading 4-2 at one point. Back in Edinburgh at Easter Road Hibs beat them 2-1 and sparked one of the worst player riots in Scottish football history. They may have been a great team but they didn't like it up them. Hibs had two blatant penalty claims denied as well.
     
  19. babyrick

    babyrick New Member

    Apr 17, 2010
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    1998 France
     
  20. lost

    lost Member

    May 24, 2006
    England
    its quite tough to get information on the squads of the columbian league during the rebel dimayor league of the 1950s. such a one off and bizaar period of football. huge amount of talent from round the world shipped off to south america to play outside of fifas jurisdiction. what a story, there should be far more material available on the net than there is.
     
  21. moqq

    moqq New Member

    Sep 3, 2010
    The WunderTeam,
    The Magical Magyars,
    ...
     
  22. lost

    lost Member

    May 24, 2006
    England
    forgotten? by who?
     
  23. Twefoju

    Twefoju Member

    Mar 4, 2011
    Bali, Indonesia
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Country:
    Indonesia
    really?, i think they are still widely known and definitely remembered by all football fans across Europe

    well, i mean, it's the France's 1st title ever in the World cup history after all
     
  24. la saeta rubia

    Aug 1, 2010
    Argentina/España
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Country:
    Argentina
    There's been a good discussion going on about LA MAQUINA in the beautiful game under 20 greatest clubs of all time.They were candidates to being not only the best team of all but the one who most revolutionized futbol.One of the great influences on La Maquina was Ernesto Hirshel who coached River in the late thirties early forties with Cesarini and Peucelle as players.(they were the River coaches 41-47)Hirshel went on to coach probably the greatest Uruguayan club team of all Penarol in the late forties who formed the basis for the EL MARACANAZO Celeste of 1950.
     
  25. zasal911

    zasal911 Member

    Sep 1, 2000
    there was also a Chilean Ballet Azul, for la U de Chile who between 59-69 won 6 national championships, and had 9 starters on he 1962 WC team that finished 3d
     

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