Fiscal Conservatives Challenge Bush

Nah, they're just attempting to keep him honest. They'll still vote for him.

 

Look! Over there! A terrorist!

 

It won't make a difference. I heard most of Pres. Bush's speech from West Virginia, and the loudest cheer came when he talked about the sanctity of marriage and family. Now, given that marriages and family are going to be much, much harder to hold together in the near future because of major financial problems brought about by deficit spending, that's not what anyone was worrying about. They were hopeful that, if Bush is re-elected, there will be fewer men holding hands in San Francisco and New York. I don't think the general electorate gives a crap about this.

 

I ama staunch fiscal conservative. I don't like much of what Bush has done in that arena.

I will vote for GWB because of (in order, seperated for effect)
1-abortion


2-war on terror







3-fiscal policy (still far better than Kerry's)

 

Bravo. We must never, ever forget the sanctity of the fetus.

 

I respect that opinion, but the question remains, in 4 years, what has he done in all three areas?

On 1 you are probably just holding out hope that he gets to appoint a judge or two in the next four years. Other than that, all you get is flowery rhetoric about the sanctity of life.

On 2 there is obviously a legit debate going on. I posted a thread yesterday about the state of our port security as an example of how we are still vulnerable in areas where we really should be more secure three years removed from 9/11. Still, I respect those that think Bush is stronger here than Kerry.

On 3, it is a Republican congress, and they are spending like sailors on shore leave the day after payday. Would kerry make things worse? I'm not so sure, but I think there is probably little difference between the two on deficits. The difference will be a shift on who receives the benefits of our current ridiculous deficits.

I am fiscally conservative as well, and I still bristle when I think back to Bush in 2000 saying "we need to give some of this surplus back to the people that pay the bills."

Fine. If we continue to run surplusses for years, and pay down the already existing debt.

 

That's pretty much my worry, too. By the way, here's a story on the Vatican's clarification, yesterday, of the position that ItN and others made such a big deal about when some American Bishops were calling for the witholding of communion from Kerry and anyone who votes for him.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/152/story_15235_1.html

And for the record, Cardinal Ratzinger is not referred to as "Cardinal Kumbaya" by anyone at all. He's about as staunch a conservative as you can get. And he realizes there are complexities about all these issues.

I also like Chris M's point about appointing a judge or two. For all the lipservices republicans pay to pro-life issues, they're pretty ineffective about doing anything about it. Why? 1) many of their more libertarian-leaning (and wealthier) constituents favor abortion and 2) it, along with gay rights issue, is such a good rallying cry that they don't want to do away with it, what with these issues being so good at distracting people from their own economic interests.

 

We've been a third world country since Roe v. Wade was enacted.

 

Kerry is losing all the swing states except 1 and he is only 1 point a head in that state. Now tell me again who's campaign is sinking? Do you think any republican will vote for Mr. Liberal Kerry for any reason?

 

Will you kindly explain this?

 

I will. Bush has done everything possible to tell me, and most anyone else who voted for him in 2000 besides corporations and the uber-wealthy, not to do so again.

(Then again, between Bush and the sham of a California recall/election, I'm not sure I'll ever register Republican again.)

 

I know at least six, and that includes my father.

 

I wonder if you have ever been to a 3rd world country.
The USA is quite nice.

 

It's simple for me. I believe life begins at the moment of conception, therefore abortion is murder.

Any society that endorses and makes legal murder is worse than third world to me.

 

But you of course have no problem with then-governor Bush murdering inmates, even retarded ones.

 

So, you're opposed to capital punishment, I presume?

And just curious, does your dislike of abortion take into account, in any way, the men who play a role in conceiving these unborn children? I ask because I find most anti-abortion rhetoric to be misogynistic at its core, and you know... it takes two to conceive. Yet I've never come across anyone who's anti-abortion willing to take a stand against men who also play a part in all this. It's always women's fault, in other words.

 

Danger Will Robinson Danger.

You are about to enter into the Never to be Resolved Zone.

At the risk of changing the subject, I wonder which of those issues has had the most impact on dawgpound2's daily life?

 

Why not 50/50?

 

I meant the three issues he listed and their importance to his vote.

 

The Rez sure as hell does.