Fire Berhalter

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  1. Draghignazzo

    Draghignazzo Member+

    Feb 24, 2007
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    It's all about noting your sources and/or stating clearly, "I think, I believe, what if..." instead of, "I/we know xyz, since abc..."
     
  2. Hamburgler03

    Hamburgler03 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 31, 2000
    Columbus, OH
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    Columbus Crew
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    Let's try this....

    I KNOW Draghignazzo
    I THINK he is a joke.

    Did I do it right?
     
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  3. Draghignazzo

    Draghignazzo Member+

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    Perfecto.
     
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  4. Hamburgler03

    Hamburgler03 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 31, 2000
    Columbus, OH
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    I learn good.
     
  5. svc641

    svc641 Member+

    Aug 19, 2014
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    Really? I didn't think so. Usually the typical ESPN pieces are littered with a political and social propaganda. This one seemed pretty straight forward to me.
     
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  6. Psycho_Derek

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    Nov 18, 2005
    Did it capture both sides of the story?
     
  7. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

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    Mar 27, 2001
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    It was a one-on-one interview with Kei Kamara after Berhalter and the front office dragged his name through the mud on social media and any other avenue they could find. After a week of Pipa refusing to speak to the media and then pulling the wool over people's eyes with a so called "professional" interview.

    Twellman brought up the contention in the locker room, and made no bones that to the outside Kamara looks like the bad guy. I think Twellman is awful and don't watch or listen to him if I don't have to. That said, I have no idea what else you would expect to happen in that piece.
     
  8. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
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    Columbus Crew
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    If Precourt tweeting out once that the PK incident was one chapter in the book equates to "dragging (Kamara's) name through the mud", I'd hate to see your reaction if they had actually gotten into specifics.
     
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  9. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

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    Mar 27, 2001
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    I've said it before and I'll say it again. This organization talks about keeping things in house as part of their culture. Precourt knowing that some of the fan base hated what Kei did in the PK fiasco took the worst possible route. It was worse than going into specifics. He gave a vague but insinuating answer to let peoples imaginations run wild and go with whatever horrible thoughts they had of Kei.

    It was immature, unprofessional, and above all it was hypocritical.

    But it was also really quite typical from a guy who always is desperate to be liked, desperate for acceptance, and begging for a seat at the cool kids table.
     
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  10. Psycho_Derek

    Psycho_Derek Member+

    Nov 18, 2005
    Simply asking a question as I didn't see it and nor do I want to. However it is used as exhibit A in the Kei vs Crew case.

    Of course Kei, when asked for the interview, could have politely declined to comment. I would have actually respected him more for that and may have actually changed my opinion on the incident.
     
  11. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
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    Wait a minute... You're actually saying that a vague statement referencing bad chemistry is MORE UNPROFESSIONAL than a point-by-point laundry list airing specific grievances?

    I'd like some of what you're smoking. Because that would have been the polar opposite of "keeping things in-house."

    Frankly, if Kamara was as much of a head case as he's appearing to be, there's a good chance that Precourt handling it the way he did was actually taking the high road.
     
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  12. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

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    Mar 27, 2001
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    I'm saying neither is keeping it in house.

    You may think Precourt is an idiot. I'm sorry I don't. Jackass, perhaps, but not an idiot. He knew exactly what he was doing. All you have to do is read the vitriol towards Kamara on these boards and elsewhere. It's a smart business move to paint the guy as a cancer or malcontent when shipping him out of town, especially if you are receiving nothing immediate in return for the star. But it's even smarter to gague the temperature of the fanbase towards said player, and let their imaginations run wild.

    In that sense, Precourt is a genius. A total hypocrite, but also a genius.
     
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  13. Psycho_Derek

    Psycho_Derek Member+

    Nov 18, 2005
    So this was a selfish AP move to dump the salary? Otherwise getting rid of your most lucrative asset seems like an idiot move.
     
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  14. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
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    Well, he can either let all the fans call himself and GB a 100 different insults for trading kei over 1 incident, or he can tell people that this isnt the only reason and try to give a justificaton without getting into an all out flame war.

    One seems more reasonable than the other to me, just thats just imho of course.
     
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  15. KHT_Crew

    KHT_Crew Member+

    Mar 29, 2003
    Queen City, OH
    If you're looking for anything reasonable, you've come to the wrong internet.

    Opinions have been cemented, lines have been drawn, sides have been chosen, realities have been set.

    Everyone has an agenda except my guy.
     
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  16. Psycho_Derek

    Psycho_Derek Member+

    Nov 18, 2005
    I would seriously like to hear what APs agenda is.
     
  17. Robbiegoal

    Robbiegoal Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Columbus
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    Make money.
     
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  18. ibrew

    ibrew Member+

    Feb 3, 2008
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    Trigger Warning: The following contains rampant speculation.
    I do think the salary dump was a big motivation. My *speculation* is that they were never comfortable paying 2 guys over $1 million, did so begrudgingly, and cut bait at the first sign of trouble. They had a chance to claw it back plus some and did so.
     
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  19. Psycho_Derek

    Psycho_Derek Member+

    Nov 18, 2005
    and your speculation is based on what?

    It's interesting that the Fire Berhalter thread has actually got to the root of the issue. AP is the issue.
     
  20. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

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    #145 hangthadj, May 18, 2016
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    Never said it was selfish. But, do I think it was an idiotic trade. Yes. Do I think it was mostly done by Berhalter? Yes. Do I think that reflects very poorly on his overall skills needed for these dual jobs he has. Absolutely. That's in part why this is the Fire Berhalter thread.

    Do I think Precourt's comments afterwards were also ridiculous? Yes.
     
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  21. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
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    Remember when Pipa was the center of the whole PK controversy and didn't speak to the media for a full week. He was hailed as professional, wonderful, and held up as blameless by much of the Crew SC fanbase.

    Precourt could have left it alone. He has Berhalter as his Sporting Director in charge of soccer decisions to make these difficult decisions and to face the press afterwards. Unfortunately, Precourt couldn't just leave it at that. He had to go out and insinuate that there is a multiple chapter book of incidents like the PK incident that inflamed the fanbase that we don't know about. He's too desperate for acceptance to leave it alone or let Gregg handle it.

    He could have said, "It was a soccer decision that I left to my Sporting Director and I trust his judgement." He didn't. He aired more laundry in public.
     
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  22. FootyRef

    FootyRef Member+

    Apr 13, 2007
    Westerville, OH
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    Don't you think, though, that if they do line up a quality striker that they are probably going to have to pay that much?
     
  23. ibrew

    ibrew Member+

    Feb 3, 2008
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    My speculation is based on the actions - trading the league goal leader (non PK) for what I believe is not enough to replace him with any degree of certainty plus we know that the Crew is more limited in either what they can spend and/or what they are willing to spend.

    They appear to not want to and not intend to spend as much money as the big spenders. We can have 3 DP's but choose 2 or 1. Prior to this, was there not a 3rd DP level player out there that would improve the team? We know there are many but they cost. (and no, I'm not saying they won't spend ANY money). So by necessity and/or choice the Crew is more frugal.

    The holdout is the only other publicly known "bad" behavior (though accepted as a reasonable action and part of the business in football for example). So given financial limitations, a holdout, and what I consider a terrible trade I speculate that his behavior was not the main driver, and that they may have had mixed feelings about increasing to over $1 million the salary of a guy they already had under contract for much less. I think that's good enough for speculation, and at least for me, helps explain what appears to be the monumentally stupid move of giving up a huge number of goals in a sport where goals are extremely hard to come by. To me goal scorers in soccer are like elite QB's in football. Even if you're willing to spend money, you can't always get one. And when you have one, you find a way to keep them.
     
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  24. Jaybir

    Jaybir Member+

    Feb 24, 2014
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    #149 Jaybir, May 18, 2016
    Last edited: May 18, 2016
    As CREW SC supporters, we already have reserved seats at said table and ultimately determine who else may join.

    Other individuals get de facto seats:
    - kids who actually are cool
    - kids who are tuff
    - kids with money who are desperate to be liked

    This last group is is one of my favorites! I especially like to have owners with these codependent tendencies. I hope they are surging full force come July.

    I say - AP gets a seat at the table until the transfer window closes. Then - I'm either giving him my milk money everyday, or he's getting wedgies and nooggies at recess.
     
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  25. C-bus

    C-bus Member

    Aug 2, 2006
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    AP/GB got a lot of productivity and publicity with Kei. AP never paid a full $1M/yr for him. New England paid AP $0.5M to get rid of the Kei problem. Combine this with the fantastic short-term investment gains on Giancarlo González a couple years back and I'd say AP/GB have a good idea of what they're doing. Whatever it's worth to fans today, we've got a good shot at winning the Moneyball Cup again this year.
     
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