Fire Berhalter

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  1. Draghignazzo

    Draghignazzo Member+

    Feb 24, 2007
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
    I'm still not sure I believe you need to pay that kind of money in the back line for that production, but he had a great year. He earned it, but he still owes for last season.

    Underpaid? That's Mango territory.
     
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  2. Tobias C

    Tobias C Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Mar 6, 2014
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A guy like Ciani was a weird acquisition because hes like 33 or 34 and not some huge freaking talent. That was a desperation move on Galaxys part. Skelvik at least made a little sense on paper....he was one of the best defenders in Scandinavia and in his prime....but he still probably should've only been on half the money hes making.

    Similar situation with Mensah. He was kind of a desperation signing for us so we definitely overpaid seeing as there was nothing particular special about his record prior besides being a fringe Ghana player. On the other hand....I didn't have a problem paying Sauro 600k or whatever when he came here. I think 500 or 600k is a good and fair expenditure for a quality foreign CB in their prime in this league.
     
  3. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure. Definitely not saying Mensah should be on his current salary, but compare him to what other CBs did this year, and he's worth his salary relatively speaking. Here are the top 30 CBs (including a couple guys who played a lot of CB this year that aren't traditionally CBs), all of which make over the DP limit of $504,375:

    Michael Mancienne (New England) - $1,370,000
    Rod Fanni (Montreal) - $1,230,000
    Jorgen Skjelvik (LA Galaxy) - $1,000,000
    Andreu Fontas (Kansas City) - $1,000,000
    Claude Dielna (New England) - $910,000
    Jonathan Mensah (Columbus) - $869,000
    Lamine Sane (Orlando) - $855,000
    Gregory Van Der Wiel (Toronto) - $835,000
    Reto Ziegler (Dallas) - $800,000
    Larrys Mabiala (Portland) $793,000
    Matt Besler (Kansas City) - $782,000
    Marcelo Silva (Salt Lake) - $727,000
    Liam Ridgewell (Portland) - $700,000
    Rudy Camacho (Montreal) - $699,000
    Leandro Gonzalez Pirez (Atlanta) - $685,000
    Roman Torres (Seattle) - $645,000
    Tommy Smith (Colorado) - $640,000
    Jonathan Spector (Orlando) - $637,000
    Kim Kee-hee (Seattle) - $632,000
    Michael Ciani (LA Galaxy) - $620,000
    Kendall Waston (Vancouver) - $604,000
    Johan Kappelhof (Chicago) - $595,000
    Florian Jungwirth (San Jose) - $567,000
    Alexander Callens (NYCFC) - $564,000
    Chris Mavinga (Toronto) - $563,000
    Guram Kashia (San Jose) - $550,000
    Danny Wilson (Colorado) - $540,000
    Steve Birbaum (DC United) - $535,000
    Matt Hedges (Dallas) - $525,000
    Francisco Calvo (Minnestota) - $523,000

    55% of the teams in the league this year made the playoffs. Only 43% of the players on this list made the playoffs with their respective teams.

    Looking at this list, you can make a legit case that when you combine the team's performance, along with the player's individual performance, Mensah is easily a top 5 player on this list.

    Of course, some players aren't included here, like MLS defender of the Year Aaron Long ($73,000 lol), Tim Parker ($116,000 secondary lol), Walker Zimmerman ($235,000), and Chad Marshall ($341,000).

    I'm not saying Mensah's salary is justifiable, because it's not. You could literally get 10 Aaron Long's for Mensah's salary. But, when you look at how much other team's have grossly overspent at CB, and you at least recognize that Columbus had the 6th best defense in all of MLS, at least Mensah played well. It's not an ideal situation, but at least the guy we are overpaying is performing at a high level this year, which can't be said for many of the players on this list.
     
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  4. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  5. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I'm gonna be nervous until the press announcement. We've come to far. I'm hopeful. But nervous.
     
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  6. Aaron d

    Aaron d Member+

    May 15, 2005
    Wooster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jose Mourinho confirmed.
     
  7. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd rather have another year of GB than Mourinho.
     
  8. ZipSix

    ZipSix BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 20, 2000
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mourinho would 100x national attention paid to our team.
     
  9. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As everyone watches it implode and him cry like a baby every single week about how shit everyone is? I would seriously stop watching and paying attention if he was our coach. I can't stand that guy. On top of that, his tactics are unbelievably boring.

    Thankfully, he'll never be our coach, so no worries :thumbsup:
     
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  10. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Mourinho is one of the greatest and most successful managers of all time, a magnetic personality, and a born winner. I'd take him at my club any day of the week.
     
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  11. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    How many people here know 10 million dollars isn't 10 million pounds, or even 10 million euros?
     
  12. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since when does "magnetic personality" mean "gigantic crybaby"?
     
  13. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're different? I just though "pound" was British for "dollar" and that "euro" was some snooty highfalutin French for "dollar".

    Learn something new everyday.
     
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  14. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Damnit!!! Wrong thread!!! ********!!!
     
  15. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They’re not?
     
  16. patricksp

    patricksp 91.9 Crew Fan Rating

    Nov 4, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    WTF happened to Ben Swanson? I mean he was being heavily scouted by some Dutch teams.
     
  17. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's in Indy now or something. Got cut after 2017.
     
  18. ZipSix

    ZipSix BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 20, 2000
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm a *bit* excited we're gonna get to keep this thread.
     
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  19. Ch(Elsey)

    Ch(Elsey) Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    May 2, 2003
    Green, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your sense of superior intelligence is about as inflated as a Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade Balloon.
     
  20. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    WRONG AGAIN, CHELSEY!!!!!
     
  21. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    There were many times in this thread that nerds, losers, and apologists would lash out at those who wanted to fire Gregg Berhalter. "Well who would we get to replace him? There is nobody available that is better. YoU hAvE nO NaMEs!!!!"

    Of course people had suggestions. Of course there were better options out there. And of course some of those options were put forth in this very thread.

    In fact, way back on page 34 of this very thread, some townie, probably drunk off of Coco Locos, suggested a name....Gio Savarase. Way back in December of 2016, fresh off one of the most disgusting and embarrassing seasons in Columbus Crew history.

    Of course, we know what happened. We didn't get Gio. That piece of shit Merritt Paulson did. And what has Gio done? Well in just one season he has already equaled Gregg's greatest achievement, getting Portland to MLS Cup. Some nerds may even claim Gio already had a major trophy just by achieving this.

    Our 5 year nightmare looks near an end, and hopefully we are rid of Gregg soon. However, other options were always out there. They were often suggested. But, in the end we'll always have he memories of the Desert Challenge Cup to keep us warm when the cold hard truth of the Berhalter Era becomes too unbearable.
     
  22. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looking at that list, several things strike you, the first being of course how wretchedly bad half of them are.

    Another thing is that I recall the promises we heard back in the 90's about how MLS was going to be our Great Leap Forward in terms of developing American players who would finally have a place where they could get experience and professional training.

    Yet here we are some 23 years into it and we can't even come up with a decent crop of native center backs, a position which requires savvy, technique and athleticism but is not demanding in terms of the kinds of ball skills that make strikers and middies.

    Then you come across names like Jonathan Specter, once the darling and golden future of US Soccer, endlessly written about, (and in fairness has had more than his share of injuries), now can be lumped in with such names as Oguchi Onyewu in the pantheon of disappointments.

    Jovan Kirovski should have been a cautionary tale instead of a blueprint.Sign with ManU, get loaned out to Shithole FC, maybe do a turn in Switzerland and then slink back to MLS when nobody else is interested.

    Meanwhile MLS teams are still scouring the world's lower leagues for back line defenders.
     
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  23. Flyer Fan

    Flyer Fan Member+

    Apr 18, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    When MLS announced its Designated Player spot, I remember thinking, "I hope my team never has to use that spot on center backs or goalkeepers. Those are positions where the US should be able to produce good enough players."
     
  24. the_rickler

    the_rickler Member+

    Feb 9, 2013
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Why Chad Marshall never got a significant look with the Nats is beyond me. What, a 3-4 time MLS defender of the year isn’t good enough? Give me a break.
     
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  25. Draghignazzo

    Draghignazzo Member+

    Feb 24, 2007
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
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