Fiosfan Banned for his Personal Opinion

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  1. POdinCowtown

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    They started polling in the 80s and Rothman continued in to the 90s. Here's a piece from the Media Research Center (a conservative group) discussing findings that go through 2009.

    https://www.mrc.org/media-bias-101/exhibit-1-8-media-elite-revisited

    I hope you aren't claiming that Obama didn't get favorable media coverage? That DC which is a major media center didn't give Trump less than 6% of the vote, etc. While there is plenty of conservative punditry, the people who make the decisions in the mainstream media, ie what goes on the front page of the NYT or is the top story on the CBS evening news skew well to the left of center.
     
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  2. JasonMa

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    Also another, slightly outdated (4 years), source talking about the conservative bias of guests on the traditional Sunday morning news/talk shows. This was probably the most even-handed version of the article I could find, but its not hard to find surveys with similar results for the last decade:

    https://propagandaprofessor.net/2014/02/19/sunday-news-shows-and-media-bias/

    Personally I don't have a strong feeling on if the media as a whole is liberal or conservative, I think its largely driven by what any one person consumes and their willingness or lack thereof to believe bias exists as a whole. But I haven't seen anything to suggest that the media is obviously liberal biased, if anything the studies I've seen point to the opposite. But again, that's probably largely driven by what sources I'm consuming.
     
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  3. POdinCowtown

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    Wall Street is a common term for the US financial industry. Hollywood is a common shorthand for the US entertainment industry. Saying Wall Street got away with too much during the financial crisis is not an antisemitic statement. Saying Hollywood is tired and recycling ideas isn't antisemitic either.
     
  4. JasonMa

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    Actually, just for accuracy's sake, it appears the polling was done in the 90's but there was a 2009 paper that included more data from those polls that had been released prior. At least, without seeing the 2009 paper, that seems to be how the first section of that link reads.
     
  5. BalanceUT

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    And, in that sense, the classic "liberal media" canard fits right in.
     
  6. KCbus

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    This is an incredibly dumb argument, I'm sorry.

    First of all, as we've already stated, there was more to it than that, and he has a history.

    But more to the point, I don't see why an offensive, controversial, designed-to-piss-people-off signature, that attaches itself to every single thing a poster says on this website, regardless of forum, that every single poster that reads his stuff has to see, over and over and over again, is somehow less of a problem in your mind simply because he didn't @ somebody. That's absurd.

    If he had put another offensive slur in his signature, directed at black people (the n-word), or homosexuals (the f-word), or one of about a dozen others I could pick, you wouldn't be making this same argument, because it's stupid.
     
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  7. BalanceUT

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    So, you disagree with it, therefore it must be 'liberal'? Gotcha! ;)
     
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  8. FoxBoro 143

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    Nope. But media outlets which push liberal biases are liberal, imo. Sure, I disagree with them, but that doesn't change the way they skew their coverage.
     
  9. soccernutter

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    That is why I said point out what is disagreeable and to counter it with documentation. This happens to me on a regular basis.
     
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  10. BalanceUT

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    Outgroup homogeneity effect: When viewing members of the outgroup (in this case, your viewing of 'liberal media') there is a tendency to view all members as very similar. In this case, the tendency to say that the Washington Post is equally as far to the left as Mother Jones or The Nation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity
     
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  11. barroldinho

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    #136 barroldinho, Apr 23, 2018
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    When Americans say "left of center", is that relative to moderate US politics?

    It's just that in my experience, to "lean left" is to have predominantly moderate socialist values. Coming from the UK, I wouldn't quantify much of what I see in the US - media or otherwise - as socialist. I'd say you're more varying degrees of "slightly-right" (well I wouldn't say that - more below).

    The media in the US as far as I can see, is very much a commercial endeavor.

    Or is this just that weird, lazy use of "left" and "right" that muddies the water by oversimplifying nuanced beliefs into something that can be placed on a continuum?

    I mean, I know people with capitalist values wrt the economy, but very liberal views on personal life. Likewise, I know people with socialist values wrt corporate activity, but whose views on censorship and regulation are downright draconian.
     
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  12. Justin O

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    Regardless of quantity of left/right news media outlets, the standard sources that get labeled "liberal" are hardly far left. Positive coverage for Obama is evidence of that. Self described leftist I encounter despise Obama, the Clintons, Pelosi, Schumer, etc. as "corporate democrats," who are really closet right-wingers. Fox News, as the most pertinent example, is much further from the center than any of the usual mainstream "liberal" sources typically cited.

    And in any case, there are tens of million of Americans who get no exposure to news media that isn't very right of center. So however you define liberal media, it certainly does not have anything remotely close to a monopoly on people's attention.
     
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  13. superdave

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    Also, when talking about the liberal media, are we talking about people in the media, or the content they produce? Two very different things.
     
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  14. Ch(Elsey)

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    I have the utmost respect for the starter of this thread, Mr. BA Smoking Monkey.


    On the other hand, this thread is the most mind-numbing, fingernails on the chalkboard, pissing past one another that I have had the displeasure of glancing through in many, many years.

    So I will see myself out of the “customer service” board on Bigsoccer.
     
  15. doog

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    I addressed that line of argument in my earlier post:

    More Americans self-identify as conservative (35%) and moderate (35%) than liberal 26% (according to Gallup). "The liberals" are neither in control, nor a majority.

    If the media controls society and is liberal, then a majority (or at least a plurality) of people would consider themselves liberal.
     
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  16. Sounders78

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    #141 Sounders78, Apr 23, 2018
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    Apologies for the tangent but to clarify two points raised and repeated earlier that are factually wrong or have changed and additional points based on my opinion:

    1. It is not the Red Cross that bans gay men from donating blood, it is the FDA.

    2. It is no longer a lifetime ban if you have had sex with another male since 1977. It is now a ban only if you have had sex within the last 12 months.

    3. I believe the HIV probing is a red herring, given that all blood is tested for HIV before it is used. The FDA claims the necessary waiting period is 12 months [I, and many others like me, do not believe them given what we know of HIV transmission].

    You can look at the Red Cross's website for confirmation of this information.

    Finally, it is stigmatizing. I regularly get tested (still negative) and only have protected sex, yet I was previously forbidden from giving blood at all. Yet the hypothetical wife who had unprotected sex with a hypothetical bisexual man I hypothetically had protected sex with would be able to give blood, whereas I would be banned. The difference between us for this comparison is I am gay (and only engaged in protected sex) and she is straight (and only engaged in unprotected sex) but I receive a ban and she does not. I have my beliefs about why gay men are banned that have nothing to do with HIV, but that is not an appropriate tangent for this thread.
     
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  17. Paul Berry

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    "Three out of four journalists (73 percent) agreed that 'homosexuality is as acceptable a lifestyle as heterosexuality,' and 40 percent agreed strongly."

    Yep, that's relevant :rolleyes:
     
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  18. superdave

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    This allows me to point out that the modern “liberal media” trope has its genesis in the 1960s and national coverage of the civil rights movement. I mean, i hope nobody is arguing that the national media were wrong then in not “bothsidesism” the civil rights movement.
     
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  19. Paul Berry

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    I'm banned from giving blood in the US because I lived in the UK between 1986 and 1995.

    Apparently people in Britain are still being diagnosed with bovine spongiform encephalopathy.
     
  20. barroldinho

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    I thought that we were clear after 10 years?
     
  21. soccernutter

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    I've got the last 3 months (April to June 1996) in my brain. Prior to that, I had started when I turned 18 and was approaching a gallon.

    If so, that has changed. The last I read I was perma banned.
     
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  22. tomásbernal

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    It is stigmatizing. If the argument is that anal sex is more likely to transmit HIV, well, I've gotta tell you that gay men aren't the only people who engage in that. Just ask if someone has had anal sex. That's the answer you want to know anyhow, and it may make the donated blood safer. Of course, donations might drop like crazy, too.
     
  23. barroldinho

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    That's their criteria for being 'liberal' in the 21st century? I find it a bit disturbing that a quarter of those surveyed didn't agree with that statement.
     
  24. Sounders78

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    The latest information on blood donations for people who lived in the UK can be found here.

    In short:
     
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  25. tomásbernal

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    Very well stated. Given fiosfan's extensive history of political commentary, it's safe to say that he ascribes to a far right worldview and not an anti-capitalist one, and certainly not a left perspective.
     

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