Fiosfan Banned for his Personal Opinion

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  1. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
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    No one is saying you can't say/use globalists, it's about the context in which it is being used.

    It's like the word "cracker". There are like 5-6 different meanings/uses of the word wth one of them being offensive. If I was to say "I hate Crackers"; it could describe a food, a christmas toy, a job title, or be an offensive slur. You can make the argument you are trying to make, but it's hard to make that argument if I was to talk about a group of people prior to making my statement.

    *If my example is offensive, I apologize and ask my post be taken down. This is the example I was taught in high school.
     
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  2. superdave

    superdave BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh
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    DC United
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    United States
    Again, for the love of Christ, he wasn’t banned for the sig. He was banned because he wouldn’t change the sig, plus, as you would know if you read the ********ing thread, he has been a pain in the ass to moderators for over a year.

    I’m done responding to you, because clearly you’re just trolling. RTFT.
     
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  3. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
    Don't drink beer but like cheese
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    The issue which Sounders was getting at was there there was evidence provided on why the word used (in context) is antisemitic, and there were several explanations by moderators as to the use of the word in that context was read as antisemitic. The responses I have read from those questioning (as one questions, not as one objects) the moderators' explanation is that the word, itself, is not antisemitic. The problem with that is there is a disconnect between what is being written/explained and what is being read.

    To be clear, and to put it in soccer terms, he was given a red card for persistent infringement. He was told many, many times that the forum he was posting in (MLS N&A?) has a no politics rule when posting. He posted politics, was warned, and did so again. And the cycle repeated itself many times. The signature issue was just the final straw, that last final foul, if you will, which earned him a red card. At to be clear, he earned it.

    The word in question - globalist - has been used several times in this thread without repercussions. If the word was used in the context explained, there would be an issue, and an explanation of why it is an issue.
     
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  4. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
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    read @Ismitje posts - he has put it up several times.
     
  5. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
    Don't drink beer but like cheese
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    Settle down, @superdave . If you can't play nice, no need to post here.
     
  6. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
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    New York City FC
    I don’t delete accounts.
     
  7. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    I'll tell you one thing. This thread's gonna be a real hot topic at the next Elders of Zion meeting!

    :whistling:
     
  8. toronto_soccer

    toronto_soccer Member+

    Mar 21, 2006
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    Toronto FC
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    Italy
    My final comment here.

    Any forum that has an ignore feature shouldn't need mods deciding what's acceptable or not. Users should decide for themselves.

    Instead we have mods patrolling these boards like the Checka demanding a user change his sig. while there was a member (maybe still is) who had a profile pic. of Stalin and no problems.
     
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  9. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
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    Atletico Nacional
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    Colombia
    the problem with the ignore function is that any thread that is started by the ignored is invisible . In the case of Fiosfan, the daily news thread .

    Please read the thread.. it wasn't only a signature, it was persistent infringement.
     
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  10. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Moderator
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    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    But he did change his sig file, just to a minor (and insufficient to the mods) degree, by putting scare quotes around "Globalists".
     
  11. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Moderator
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    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    I think we're giving Nazis too much power over us when we decide some common word is antisemitic. Given that the most prominent globalists, people like Xi Jinping, Angela Merkel, Christine Lagarde, etc aren't Jewish and the most prominent Jew in the world, Bibi Netanyahu isn't a globalist, I think we should just agree that Nazis are idiots on this point (and on others too of course). Let the word have its standard meaning here as elsewhere.

    He didn't actually post political content, it's in his sig which is attached to every post in all threads. His actual posts were about news of the day in soccer. I imagine it's not possible as a technical matter to strip sigs from posts in the N&A thread but beating someone up over a political sig or avatar seems excessive. I don't think people with political sigs or avatars should have to temporarily change them to post in N&A.
     
  12. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
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    Atletico Nacional
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    Colombia
    Bolded mine. It was in fact the contrary. In between his posts most of the time he had awful comentary and political stances.
     
  13. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
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    Aug 13, 2007
    Ex-pat in HB, CA
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    Manchester United FC
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    Come on, mate.

    It's been established multiple times in this thread alone that he did post political content, that it wasn't just that he posted that single word in his sig - there was a whole phrase implying context - that he was given the chance to change the sig and finally, that his ban was the result of numerous infractions over the course of a year.

    This wasn't a mod one day happening on the sig of a longtime poster with no prior infractions, and just going:
    "GLOBALIST!? That's ANTISEMITISM!!!!! PERMABANHAMMER!!!!!!!"
     
  14. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
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    New York City FC
    I fixed my post to address your concern.
     
  15. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You literally contradicted yourself in the same sentence. You agreed that the sig had political content and that it was posted on every post. So yes, he did post political content.
    Except, if you had read this thread or any number of his news collation posts you would have seen that outside his sig he also often slipped in political commentary in his posts and was repeatedly warned about doing that.
     
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  16. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
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    New York City FC
    Is there any wording or number of times that it can be said that it wasn't about a sig or avatar that you will be able to understand and acknowledge? If this was just about a sig, it would be excessive. It isn't.

    That said, BigSoccer is meant for discussing soccer, not discussing politics or figuring out what you think people should be allowed to post or have in their sig. If we make it a policy that all derogatory or disruptive Political commentary in sigs (Liberal or Conservative) is not allowed if posting regularly in the non-Political soccer boards, will that settle this for you? (Even though that isn't why he was banned - see paragraph 1, above.)
     
  17. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
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    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good lord.

    You’re doing exactly what people here are complaining about. Acting like we’re smacking down a user because we’re liberal and he’s conservative. But you lean conservative, so you’re bending over backwards to defend him.

    A signature is a setting that a user on this website alters to reflect personal taste. Fiosfan intentionally changed his so that political content appeared on EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS POSTS, yet you’re twisting yourself into a partisan pretzel to say he’s not posting political content. While pretending that quotation marks are some kind of white-out that make it better.

    Well, “you’ve completely lost the plot.” Especially since it’s been explained a half-dozen times that there was plenty more to the subject.
     
  18. superdave

    superdave BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It appears that the answer is “no.”
     
  19. cwilke1

    cwilke1 Member

    Sep 1, 2006
    Glen Cove
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So in other words, mods are showing at least a serious lack of PR savvy if not bias in this instance.

    If Fiosfan gives legitimate racist attacks on a regular basis, then the wise decision is to let an obviously out-of-line instance of behavior be the infraction that gets him suspended/banned.

    If they let a close call be the deciding infraction, then its going to generate lots of dissent and 11 pages worth of them having to defend themselves.
     
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  20. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
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    Aug 13, 2007
    Ex-pat in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    With all due respect, have you read through those 11 pages? Because at this point, it's pretty clear why he was banned and I say that as someone who came in after the fact.
     
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  21. cwilke1

    cwilke1 Member

    Sep 1, 2006
    Glen Cove
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I sure have read through the 11 pages. Did you even read my post? My post did not second-guess that he deserved the ban. It second guessed the wisdom of the moderators in choosing which infraction was the final straw.
     
  22. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
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    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
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    United States
    @POdinCowtown, as a moderator you have access to @Fiosfan’s infraction history. You can see how many infractions he’s gotten in the last year and that it is across the site. You also know how many interactions we mods have with users that don’t result in infractions. Do the math. Fiosfan isn’t the hill you want to die on.
     
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  23. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So how would you have liked the mods to handle the fact that they approached him, asked him to change his sig, and he refused? And "ban him before he gets to that point" isn't an acceptable answer since that didn't happen. Let him skate? Say "thanks, we weren't real serious with that request, go about your business"?
     
  24. cwilke1

    cwilke1 Member

    Sep 1, 2006
    Glen Cove
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The wise choice would have been to wait until he did something actually racist and then ban him for that.

    After 11 pages, reasonable minds disagree as to whether the use of the term "globalist" even in context of "enemy within" or whatever is Anti-semitic.
     
  25. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So the fact that he ignored a direct request from the moderators, after having a history of issues, should just be ignored?
     
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