Final Match 32: ARG-CHI - LOPES (BRA)

Discussion in 'Copa América 2016 - Refereeing' started by bhooks, Jun 26, 2016.

  1. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    But, and it's a big but, he's a professional. And to miss as badly as he did (including the Messi dive) is unforgivable. Yes, they came out very full of themselves and a professional referee should have enough in his toolbox to calm the match Down. Lopes is in charge of producing an event. He can't even get his throw ins correct.
     
  2. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    The OT is beginning to look about as bad as can be.
     
  3. chaoslord08

    chaoslord08 Member

    Dec 24, 2006
    Fayetteville AR
    Club:
    West Bromwich Albion FC
    Country:
    United States
    The commentators keep saying this extra sub during extra time thing was part of the update to the Laws, but it's just a special thing the Copa applied for isn't it? I don't remember reading that change, anyway.
     
  4. HoustonRef

    HoustonRef Member

    May 23, 2009
    You have to admit, he has a certain flair when he shows a card. Take....... THAT!
     
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  5. smitha96

    smitha96 Member

    Jul 11, 2010
    I watched the events at real speed here:

    I would caution against jumping on the prevailing bandwagon.

    For what it's worth, the reaction by the players to the incident leading up to the second red card is immediate mass confrontation. It's clear that both teams thought "something" ssignificant occurred.

    Player reactions don't equal a red card, I'm just suggesting caution against a rush to judgement.
     
  6. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    Min 94 could have been red on funes mori- just a foul given.
     
  7. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    Wait you don't agree with the Messi dive card?

    I'm caught up now (2x fast forward is a wonderful thing). If indeed the straight red was for a kick out that we didn't see, I think his performance moves up a bit. Even the best professional referees can't calm two teams if they have no interest in being calmed. Honestly one could argue the 2nd half was pretty calm relatively speaking. Still a few minutes to go
     
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  8. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    The kick out was shown on Fox in a brief flash between the end of 2nd before the start of the OT. Nothing was mentioned by anyone. I watched it twice. Kind of hard to discern, but if there was a kick out, then that does change the second red to yes, but doesn't change my overall opinion.
     
  9. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Nope. He fell down. Nothing to see, please continue.
     
  10. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Correct, this is a specific rule for this tournament, not a law change for the books
     
  11. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    My biggest issue (again what do I know) issue with him is that he seems to be really far away from the action and starts to depart flare up potential zones too quickly.
     
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  12. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    How about with Lopes back turned, Messi moves the free kick at least a yard forward?
     
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  13. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    The announcer finally corrected himself in the 2nd OT about the ROC.
     
  14. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    I think it was to appease Chile as much as punish Messi. I think he knows he was duped a bit on the second yellow and Chile was fed up with Messi a bit.
     
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  15. code1390

    code1390 Member+

    Nov 25, 2007
    North Carolina
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    I would be fascinated to see how a top European ref would officiate a final between two South American teams. Especially one with this much nastiness.
     
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  16. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    Disappearing spray disappear too quickly??
     
  17. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Yeah, his foul calling procedure (at least for when he thinks a long ball is coming), is a blow of the whistle and a sprint upfield. No direction, no view of play, nothing.
     
  18. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    Woo penalties.
     
  19. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    If he'd just call everything from the center circle like the rest of us he'd be fine! :)
     
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  20. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
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  21. smitha96

    smitha96 Member

    Jul 11, 2010
    Good video material for mass confirmations.

    Referee moves from "trying to break it up" to a "triangle of control" position several times as things escalated.

    Conversely, with the second red card, he showed the red several times and emphatically removed the dismissed player.

    Of course, YMMV depending on the level you're officiating.

    This was a very difficult match.
     
  22. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    I was waiting for him to call one for keeper being off their line, but no such luck. Time for bed!
     
  23. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    I am glad this sorry excuse for a soccer tournament is over. Both the quality of overall play
    and the standard of refereeing was poor. Both sent terrible examples to young players and referees.
    The Gold Cup was pretty bad, but IMO this was much worse.

    As for the refereeing, did anyone have a really good match?
    Gieger was OK, but it was such a one-sided match it was difficult to judge.

    PH
     
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  24. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Country:
    United States
    Yeah, you can clearly see the shaving cream at the first spot, even on TV....
     
  25. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member

    Jun 3, 2001
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    New York Red Bulls
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    Croatia
    #50 MetroFever, Jun 26, 2016
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2016
    I'm a little too old to remember my mass confirmation. ;)

    This guy was absolutely comical in his approach to everything. I loved when he pulled aside the Chilean player on the mass confrontation in extra time and went way overboard with his "knock it off" motion with both arms wildly swinging. The players reaction was priceless as he thought he'd hit him in the face by accident.

    You throw in the way he runs, his mannerisms and getting bowled over and pushed twice by Argentina and he reminded me of the WWF days of George "The Animal" Steele.


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