FIFA's Stance on Cross-Border Leagues

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Apr 4, 2015.

  1. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    There are a lot of regions where this would make sense due to the domestic leagues being financially/talentwise top-heavy. For example:

    Belgium/Netherlands/France
    Sweden/Norway/Denmark
    Poland/Ukraine/Czech Rep./Slovakia/Hungary
    the aforementioned Balkan League
    Greece/Turkey
    Italy/Austria/Switzerland
    the aforementioned ASEAN League
    China/Japan/S.Korea
     
  2. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True but some of those countries don't like each other irl.
     
  3. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    While I do admit that the Royal League was a really poor attempt at a combined league I still have a hard time seeing this work. Looking at history and rivalries and such there are very few Swedish clubs you could cut without also losing a good amount of interest. And I am fairly sure the same goes for Denmark and Norway.


    Could very well be good football but it would need permanently empty stadiums and a ban on fans within several miles of the stadiums to not risk mayhem. To much political, religious and racial issues to be realistic I'm afraid.


    No, just no.
     
  4. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Stop already with ex-Yugoslavian league, will you, please?! Away fans in Bosnia still come 15 minutes after kick-off and exit 15 minutes before game ends due to security reasons. Imagine what would happen if they go to Serbia or if Serbs going to Croatia or vice versa.

    No one here (ex-Yugoslavia) wants it except old people who remember old days and ignorant young people who think that combined piles of crap smell better than one pile of crap.
     
  5. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
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  6. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  7. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Done.

    And now there's a serious debate to be had in Canada and Concacaf: if the CPL existing means there's no more justification for sanctioning Ottawa playing in a US league, where does that leave the Canadian MLS teams? Unless the CSA cheekily recognizes MLS or the Canadian Championship as its D1 (which, can it even do that?) and the CPL as its Division 2.
     
  8. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why does a confederation get to sanction or not sanction what league a club plays in? Is there a formal document with the division of powers between FIFA, confederations, country's FAs, domestic leagues, players, the ECA, and other groups involved? MLS clubs don't have to worry about relegation, but it would be similar to relegation if the Canadian MLS clubs were forced into the CPL. Furthermore, MLS is single-entity, and Wikipedia says "teams and player contracts are centrally owned by the league." That means that Concacaf or the CSA forcing Canadian clubs out of MLS would be breaking player contracts with MLS, which is an American organization.
     
  9. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
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  10. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank you.
     
  11. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    According to CONCACAF statement, they have yet to receive the official application, yet Ottawa keep going public about going to USL with no CONCACAF sanction.

    I think that it's likely that CONCACAF let them go one more time, however, they showed them how serious they are at enforcing the rule. 2019 is likely it for them.

    CSA sanctions the 3 teams to play in MLS but does not recognize MLS as Canada D1. It officially recognized CPL as D1.
     
  12. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    That's a separate issue but the 3 MLS teams are safe... for now

    The CSA sanction is the only thing allowing the 3 teams to play in MLS. Actually, for that to keep going ALL parties must agree to it (MLS, teams, CSA, USSF, CONCACAF). At the minute a party disagree, it's over (see Ottawa Fury). Sanctioning is renewable on a yearly basis.

    That being said, you have to expect an exceptional "out clause" for the 3 MLS teams. The CSA would never sign away it's control for perpetuity, nor would CONCACAF. When they joined, there had to be something in the contracts that indicates what happens if the sanctioning was to end. That's normal business practice as all party would want to protect their interests.

    Most likely, the 3 teams would have to sell their MLS shares back to the league and vice versa or they could sell their franchise to a US Ownership wanting to jump in MLS... whichever.

    IP belongs to the league but not impossible that the teams could get it back as part of the back an forth transactions.

    Players contracts are held by the league, so the teams would have to build their rosters from scratch.

    Let's not forget that TFC only paid $10M and both Vancouver & Montreal paid $35M to join MLS. They could just turn around and sell for at least $200M+ and pay a fee to join CPL.

    I don't know everything, that's just my assumption based on business experience but one thing's or sure, the 3 teams aren't stuck in MLS, there are mechanisms for their exits
     
  13. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All 3 MLS teams have waivers to play in MLS, I doubt CSA would pull them, maybe use them to get B teams to play in the Canada system.

    USL teams may be forced (eventually) to move.
     
  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I assume MLS would move the 3 teams to the USA if it had to (It won't happen).
     
  15. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.concacaf.com/en/article/concacaf-statement-ottawa-fury-fc says:

    "Although Concacaf, the CSA and USSF have given their respective authorizations, before the club may participate in the USL for the 2019 season, the Ottawa Fury FC still is required to obtain authorization from FIFA under the clear mandate of FIFA Article 73."

    Concacaf complained that Ottawa went to CAS unnecessarily because their desire to remain in the USL had not been decided on yet.
     
  16. Gibraldo

    Gibraldo Member+

    radnicki nis
    Serbia
    Nov 17, 2005
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    this is your very sole opinion.
     
  17. Gibraldo

    Gibraldo Member+

    radnicki nis
    Serbia
    Nov 17, 2005
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    not all fans are ultras. why should their vote count more than those of spectators that behave peacefully?

    some of those ultras have costed croatia and serbia much money and other sanctions like points withdrawn.

    i think the representives of the clubs would enjoy a balkan league. to soften things a bit, teams from greece, hungary, romania or greece might be included.

    but i think the big leagues are opposing and maybe intriguing against a balkan, scandinavian or benelux league, as that is a bigger rivalry to them and young prospects may found it more interesting to stay in those leagues, than warming a bench in a championchip club.
     
  18. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
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  19. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  20. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    CONCACAF effectively shut the doors on them. They were told last year that Article 73 of FIFA statute no longer applied to them.

    They tried to play dumb and reapply but they botch the application forms, anyways CONCACAF considers the matter closed
     
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  21. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Infantino was in Africa promoting the idea of an African Super League:
    http://www.insideworldfootball.com/...africa-1bn-new-200m-pan-african-super-league/
    m'kay...? Where did this come from?
     
  22. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    Well, if Sepp Blatter's history is anything to go by, then a major FIFA figure is about to be arrested for corruption. Sepp's mad ideas (no more draws, women should all play in lingerie etc) all got announced just before a scandal hit.

    J
     
  23. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    He's lost. Totally. It seems like he, backed by don't know who, wants to change everything (that worked well). A mad man would propose something like this.
     
  24. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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