I agree to a point. I’ve always said he caught lightning in a bottle by getting Morales and KB, and stumbling upon the Diamond. However the organizational cultures of NYCFC and OCFC compared to RSL are greatly different. I’m not sure that he wouldn’t have continued the on-field successes here.
If Salcedo had stayed with RSL, would he be playing in the World Cup right now? I don't think he would.
very doubtful. However, had RSL not bungled it they would have sold him to Italy instead of Chivas and taken a lot more of the proceeds than they did. I was really happy for Salcedo. He played a really good game. I was equally annoyed with the club. Their only acknowledgment was retweeting a tweet from Matt Gaschk. So ********ing lazy. The dude was part of our academy and wore the first team jersey. Let bygones be bygones and recognize the dude's talent.
He was hired an entire year before NYCFC started play, and he built a terrible roster with only one player - Lampard - seemingly foisted on him. It may turn out that he was great at building our roster in partnership with Lagerway and Manning, but not past that.
exactly I get that a lot in these parts love Kreis. What he did here was special. However, the more he is on his "own" the more you realize he was just a piece of the puzzle and not the main thing. And, if we're being really honest, he was the weakest of the three parts based on results since his (and others) departure. The next step he should take is to be an assistant somewhere in the league or the head coach at a USL side. I don't want him to fail, but watching him do it makes you realize how important the group was as opposed to just him.
It was my understanding that Kreis found Javi and Espy on a scouting trip to South America and personally recruited them to RSL, along with that 3rd Argentinian that didn’t stay long. I could be wrong...it’s been a while.
it would be kind of hard to find them both in Argentina playing given Javi was playing in the Spanish second division at the time and Espy was playing in Ecuador. I don't doubt he had a big influence on getting them here, though. Matias Mantilla is the other Argentine you are thinking of, btw
I read a story at the time that Kreis and Javi had dinner in Buenos Aires and gave him a passionate and convincing pitch to come be part of a group that’s going to be very successful. The 3 of them came to RSL in August, so I don’t know if their respective teams were in season at the time. You are correct regarding Mantilla’s name. I never can remember it.
I think most of us missed this story from the team website - Carlos Salcedo's World Cup shines the light on RSL Academy
Now that I’m more informed about his history I can’t dislike him all that much. It looks like the RSL Academy helped get him over the top and into the professional ranks, but the bulk of his development was at the 2 academies he attended in Mexico. Like poster El-ahrairah I have trouble calling him a RSL Academy success story.
You should call him that. His story and those of the other guys who make the first team and/or get caps are what potential academy players look at. Is coming to the RSL Academy worth it to/for them? Look at Salcedo: yes, then, it is.
You make a point. But to me it’s more like an already trained and high performing Russel Wilson transferring to Wisconsin for his Senior season. After Wilson goes on to the NFL and wins a Super Bowl, does Wisconsin call him a Wisconsin success story? I guess they could, but it would be rather hollow. Maybe that’s comparing apples and oranges. In both cases the player received the bulk of his training somewhere else.
And Wilson may have gone undrafted, and played on a practice team, and never gotten a break in the NFL if he hadn't gone to Wisconsin and proved himself in a more prestigious conference. It seems to me that you just don't want to like Salcedo. It's an academy win!
Uhhhh, no. He was runner up ACC player of the year and the best QB in the league. He had NFL stardom written all over him. He left NCSU because he and the head coach didn’t get along. You also have misinterpreted my point, which wasn’t anti- Salcedo. It was anti RSL Academy claiming Salcedo as a success story for the Academy when they seem to have had a lesser role compared to other academies. But as was pointed out by another poster, they did have a role.
Without RSL, Salcedo swims around lower division Mexican teams and hopes his family connections give him a break. This is a success story. I don't know how you could say it isn't. Hell, with the age that our academy is setup for now (15+) you could say the club really hasn't done ANYTHING to develop the players, using your same argument. But we don't. Sure, it would be a lot cooler for this kid to be part of the academy from the start but nobody really has been yet. He's out there playing in the world cup - why would we NOT want to associate ourselves with him?!
All good points...my self-appointed role of Devil’s Advocate is coming to a close on the Salcedo front. There wasn’t much to work with given that much of the problem was behind closed doors. I will leave it here by stating two things: 1) if RSL truly was that instrumental in Salcedo’s development then why don’t we consider him to be an ungrateful traitor? 2) when all is said and done I am just pissed that RSL had a Serie A and Mexican MNT level defender and mismanaged the situation.
you realize point 2 is the reason for point 1, right? And this goes with saying he was a traitor. I don't think he was. I think he got ********ed over because of one bad game in LA. It's really funny to say, in hindsight, that we started Chris Schuler over Carlos Salcedo
Funny, I think you and I think funny means different things. I agree though, @RSLer's 2nd point is the root of the problem and starting Schuler over Salcedo is a big part of that.