"Who are they?" asked Nelson Rodriguez. "Chris Armas? Didn't he end his career with the Chicago Fire? I vaguely remember signing a couple of checks to him." commented Andrew Hauptman. "Duh, derp, derp, derp, practicing cheerfully. Katai needs to play harder for the full game..." burped out Vejlko Paunovic.
It appears they did , all this really sucks. I'm supposed to hate RBNY but this season it's been hard to. As a player I really like BWP , and some of the young guys they've developed and brought in. And with Chris at the helm that makes it so much harder.
I'm actually quite impressed with what they have been able to do there. The academy and Redbull II team seem to be developing good young talent and their scouting network along with in league moves have been spot on minus a few internationals that haven't worked out.
What are these "academy" and team "II" concepts of which you speak? As a Chicago Fire fan, these terms do not have meaning to me.
Red Bull II finished their regular season in 5th place and went on to two 1-0 playoff wins on the road in Charleston and then Cincinnati. They're doing something right top to bottom in their organization.
Out of nowhere .. Brandon Vincent hangs up his cleats https://www.chicago-fire.com/post/2...qeQH1o1uWDEHUDoIVMldI__z8FuOrDMt3yE8lvUJlmORA
Just top with this nonsense. Jack Harrison scored 14 goals in 59 matches and drew the interest of several European teams. He played very well and received praise the entire time. He made NYCFC better when he was on the field. He netted NYCFC between $4,000,000-6,000,000. Money they could spend on OTHER players. Brandon Vincent played, at best, mediocre for three years and retired. He netted the Fire nothing. From the article below: "The reported price paid to Chicago Fire S.C. to transfer Jack to Los Celestes during the 2016 MLS SuperDraft was a paltry $250K." We received 250k in funny money and Brandon Vincent. NYCFC received Jack Harrison and sold him two years on for millions. No, real money. https://www.goal.com/en/news/manche...rom-nycfc-loans-to/1kuk5916w7njb1cfmjb9l1xjsz http://thenycfcnation.com/2018/02/nycfcs-transfer-jack-harrison-handled-beautifully/
Being sold from NYCFC to Man City is like being traded from the Rockford Icehogs to the Chicago Blackhawks. There's no real gain because they're paying themselves. The only possible entity that made money off of that deal was the Yankees and that in itself is an abhorrent thing.
Jack Harrison played well for a year and a half. Brandon Vincent was mediocre to passable for three years. NYCFC made a gain on his sale in name only because it's the same entity and the $250k in funny money we got went towards Dax McCarty. So in my mind it looks like this: NYCFC got 1.5 years of 5 star play The Fire got 3 years of 2 star play plus half of a 4 star player for two years. 7.5 of this abstract value for NYCFC 8 abstract value points for the Fire Bringing the money back into the equation, you can think of it as just "allocating extra funds" with that transfer and since they'd already be getting those funds it's hard to really grasp what the actual value it is, so I'm just going to make it .5 so that the trade ends with a nice even: 8 - 8 It's a wash. No one won. The only reason the Fire can be given the L here is that it just looks bad, which I guess in the end is the most important thing.
I'm still trying to figure out what happened. The simplest answer could just be that he wasn't happy playing soccer anymore. He mentioned that there was a lot of stuff that his family helped him get through around here and there's very much a possibility that he could've been dealing with depression. There's evidence in the past of players talking about how much of a slog it is sometimes to play the game and he very much could have decided that it was time for a change in his life.
That is not true, either. They are NOT paying themselves. The Mix Diskerud "transfer" from NYCFC to Manchester City was "paying themselves" as it was done to get Mix off of the NYCFC payroll. He was making $775,000 and NYCFC was trying to up salary space. Manchester City admitted that they had no intention of keeping him and planned on selling him. They have not, but shipped him off to South Korea. Jack Harrison was a legit transfer to Manchester City and could have been to Stoke or a couple of other teams. Harrison was earning $160,000 and NYCFC made somewhere between $4,000,000-$6,000,000 on the deal. There is no evidence of that at all.
Again, this is nonsense. There is something wrong with your "mind" if you think this makes sense. 1- You terribly over value Brandon Vincent. If you think that Brandon Vincent was ever a "4 star player" (using Jack Harrison as "5 star" by comparison) you are delusional. 2- You terribly under value Jack Harrison. You have consistently said "1.5 years" for Jack Harrison and I have consistently pointed out that you are wrong. Harrison played 57 games (out of 70) over two seasons. That it 81% of the games NYCFC played (in 2016, when he played fewer games, he had more assists, by the way). Vincent was, at best, half as good as Harrison by any objective or subjective measure. If Vincent was better than that, why was there not a single inquiry about his services? Also, three years of a mediocre player does NOT equal 1.5 of a good (even though it was not 1.5 years). By your "logic," Logan Pause was a better player than Bastian Schweinsteiger for the Fire because Pause managed to hang on in the team for over a decade and Bastian has only been a Fire player for two years. Sure Bastian is 5x better (actually, about 30 times better), but Pause was "just as good" as he played 12 years. Using your calculations, 12 years as 2 star player (24) => 2 years as 10 star player (20). Nope, that math does not add up. NYCFC did not make "a gain on his sale in name only because it's the same entity." That is simply false. The were HIGHER bids (from Stoke) for Jack Harrison than the Manchester City bid. NYCFC took the Manchester City bid because it included a cut of any sell-on fees (the "same entity" issue probably also figured into the equation). The "funny money" did NOT go to Dax McCarty! Dax McCarty was signed in 2017, not 2016. Again, that is simply not true. I know that, for some unknown reason, you REALLLLLY want us to believe that the Harrison for Vincent f*ck up was a "good deal" for the Fire, but it simply is not true. Now that both are out of the league, maybe it is time to put a fork in this one.