Euros 2016

Discussion in 'Korea' started by jsk14, Jun 10, 2016.

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Who will win the Euros?

  1. France

    12 vote(s)
    23.5%
  2. England

    3 vote(s)
    5.9%
  3. Germany

    13 vote(s)
    25.5%
  4. Spain

    2 vote(s)
    3.9%
  5. Italy

    6 vote(s)
    11.8%
  6. Belgium

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  7. Portugal

    7 vote(s)
    13.7%
  8. Other

    7 vote(s)
    13.7%
  1. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    sticking with Gotze/Howedes for multiple tournaments.
     
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  2. KyopoOhNo

    KyopoOhNo Member+

    Aug 3, 2010
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    You remember how at the last World Cup, every team Mick Jagger supported lost? Guess who he was supporting last night :ROFLMAO:

    [​IMG]
     
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  3. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Del Bosque I've criticized too and yet I think the challenge he faced was harder than Low did, namely mixing an increasingly divergent talent base between AM vs Barcelona styles.

    Anyway, I've criticized Low plenty through multiple tourneys so no point in repeating myself to the boredom of everyone here but in short I think he tinkered far too much, as a result letting weaker opposition (albeit still very strong) like Italy dictate who he used rather than in reverse, and has let personal preference interfere with best XI through the years whether its Podolski over Reus, Gotze/Howedes over others, etc.

    You'd like to attribute Germany quality split between talent and coach more to latter than I do, and given small sample sizes of tournaments and inability for control tests make it impossible to know for sure.
     
  4. Saku²

    Saku² Member+

    Aug 22, 2009
    Club:
    FC Salzburg
    two points, Reus was out of the team on his own and Howedes has been good with the NT, you'd have to be dogmatic to say the contrary. Squad construction does not always imply taking the best players but simply the ones who will work better as a team. I can't hate a guy who calls up a player because he scored the deciding goal in the WC final, that's quite a testament.

    That said it's not even split, I think in general it's 70% players, 30% coach. And Low fulfilled his task very well. Let's see if the guy that comes harder lives up to his legacy.
     
  5. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Reus in 2012. Howedes was the lightning rod of criticism all last tournament and much of this as fullback.
     
  6. chook90

    chook90 Member+

    South Korea
    Jan 2, 2015
    Al Khor, Qatar
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I see.

    From what little I've seen of Howedes, he made a crucial tackle in the France game. 2 years ago in Brazil 2014, I thought he played well as makeshift LB.

    I'm wondering if there isn't a plethora of defensive talents in Bundesliga (or Germany's disposal) for Lowe to pick from. I find it hard to believe. Or maybe Lowe has a very particular quality he looks for in players.
     
  7. sac517

    sac517 Member+

    May 23, 2005
    To be fair, any defender worth 1/10 his salt can run down Giroud from behind.
     
  8. chook90

    chook90 Member+

    South Korea
    Jan 2, 2015
    Al Khor, Qatar
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    :ROFLMAO:
     
  9. wetcrispy

    wetcrispy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jul 5, 2007
    hollywoo
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    [​IMG]
     
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  10. chook90

    chook90 Member+

    South Korea
    Jan 2, 2015
    Al Khor, Qatar
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    :ROFLMAO:
     
  11. Marco91

    Marco91 Member+

    Mar 12, 2016
    At home
    Club:
    Dijon FCO
    If we are talking about create a team that works cohesively...Conte is the master.
     
  12. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Right. Clarity in his vision and pragmatism to back his intellectualism... All features so rare in managers these days.
     
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  13. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    #788 skimmilk, Jul 12, 2016
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2016
  14. wetcrispy

    wetcrispy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jul 5, 2007
    hollywoo
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    can't wait til skim becomes knt manager tbh
     
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  15. chook90

    chook90 Member+

    South Korea
    Jan 2, 2015
    Al Khor, Qatar
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    -Speaks English
    -Of foreign nationality
    -Has experience in youth football
    -Has experience dealing with outside pressure (soccer moms)
    -Has experience coaching outside of Korea
    -Reasonably familiar with Korean culture

    KFA, what are you waiting for?
     
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  16. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Lol given barely handle trolls here, can't imagine trying to handle unruly spoiled egos
     
  17. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    On rumors of allardyce becoming English manager, I generally agree with all of this:


    ...but watching Big Sam explode on English fail would be great entertainment.
     
  18. Ice cube

    Ice cube Member+

    Seoul Utd
    May 4, 2014
    Club:
    Incheon United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    #793 Ice cube, Jul 13, 2016
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2016
    I don't disagree with any of that on principle, but same was said about Hodgson. Flopped at Liverpool but before and after he did quite well with more pragmatic sides (Fulham and WBA).

    http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/05/01/england-appoint-roy-hodgson/

    (Though tbf it could be argued that Hodgson failed after abandoning his principles – eschewing structure in favor of playing too many attackers at WC 14, throwing on strikers with no team strategy against Iceland)

    Although it appears Italy are going similar route, appointing Ventura (former Torino manager)...
     
  19. Marco91

    Marco91 Member+

    Mar 12, 2016
    At home
    Club:
    Dijon FCO
    Ventura is not there to win, rather was appointed to develope young player (is very good at this) from the current and former under 21 squad such as Romagnoli, Rugani, Benassi, Berardi, Bernardeschi.

    I would be dissapointed in him only if he sticks with the same players in the Conte's era.

    And one last thing...Ventura is miles away from the english fail. Its not even a competition.
     
  20. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I'd really not call fulham under hodgson (don't recall WBA run) "pragmatic"... resource constrained and scrappy yes, but different from Big Sam's defense, set pieces and long ball.

    And really those three aspects have shown over the past several tourneys to be all you need, rather than complicated aspirational tactics.
     
  21. Ice cube

    Ice cube Member+

    Seoul Utd
    May 4, 2014
    Club:
    Incheon United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    When did I say Ventura is/will be a failure? I brought him up because he's only been in charge of smaller sides, not much different than Hodgson or Allardyce.
     
  22. wetcrispy

    wetcrispy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jul 5, 2007
    hollywoo
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Post something tangential to Italy, expect defensiveness ha
     
  23. KyopoOhNo

    KyopoOhNo Member+

    Aug 3, 2010
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Marc Wilmots has been sacked.
     
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  24. Ice cube

    Ice cube Member+

    Seoul Utd
    May 4, 2014
    Club:
    Incheon United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    cause he's not a good manager
     
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  25. wetcrispy

    wetcrispy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jul 5, 2007
    hollywoo
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    is leicester top 6 next season without kante and mahrez?
     

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