Pre-match: (EURO 2016 - Group Stage) Germany vs N. Ireland 06.21.2016 [R]

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Lahmfan, Jun 18, 2016.

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Who is going to win it all?

  1. Germany

    6.3%
  2. Deutschland

    62.5%
  3. Alemania

    31.3%
  1. biohazard

    biohazard Member

    Sep 2, 2013
    Estonia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think that the "can't score" story has been around for a while, it isn't just that Poland 0-0 draw.
    To be honest, i think we sucked even against Ukraine, but that set piece goal was the key. Against Poland we couldn't even create shit and when we did, our "wizard" Götze made an awful shot, which wouldn't have caused trouble to U14 goalkeeper.
    I'd say drop Höwedes and start Kimmich(he definitely can add more to attack and probably defend equal to Höwedes). Drop Khedira, who slows things down and has awful 1st touch. Start Weigl and give him a chance, if he blows it, so be it, atleast you tried. Drop Götze, god i do not have any faith in this guy. He probably is pretty okay, when given space( playing in a counter-attacking team should suit him), but he is dreadful, when you have to play against defending sides, who don't give you any space. Start with Gomez or Schürrle, not much of a difference, both better than Götze.
     
  2. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Forget about him!... Time to move on
     
  3. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Some of you :rolleyes:

    We don't score one game and the coach needs to be fired. Thankfully none of your shitty opinion matters
     
  4. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    ---------------Neuer---------------
    Kimmich Boa Hummels CAN
    ----------Schweinie--------------
    ---Oezil--------------Kroos------
    Sane--------Muller----------Schurrle

    I would setup Germany like this against Ireland....
    As we will again have most of the possession and will most probably play mostly in Ireland's half of the field.
    Obviously nothing to say about Neuer, BOa and Hummels....

    CAN and Kimmich - as Germany will have most of the possession they can move up the filed basically in line with Schweinie... DM roles (All three of them are DM) and can control the counter attacks of the Irish right there, as well as control the midfield, where most of the game will be.

    Kroos and Oezil will be positioned in-front of them controlling our game and opening up that defensive minded irish team... Who better then two of the worlds best passers.

    Sane and Schurrle both have good speed.... that can hit the Irish on the flanks..... with Muller in the centre, Muller said he just needs more chances , then he will score eventually. I am sure he will get more chances in this setup with Kroos and Oezil feeding him from the center and Schurrle and Sane from the Flanks.
     
  5. NUFCBayern

    NUFCBayern Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 9, 2004
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    N. Ireland.

    Ireland is playing Italy on Wednesday in Group E :p
     
  6. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #56 Alex C, Jun 20, 2016
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2016
    ---------------Neuer------------------
    -----------------Boa-------------------
    --------Kimmich---Schweinie--------
    Oezil----------Kroos----------Draxler
    Sane----Gomez----Müller---Schürrle

    ATTACK
     
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  7. NUFCBayern

    NUFCBayern Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 9, 2004
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nope, would never happen.
     
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  8. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Sorry thanks!
     
  9. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    HAHAHAHA yes .... With Boa and Neuer at the back no one will score anyway...
     
  10. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Kicker Report - Translated via Google

    kicker-chief reporter Karlheinz Wild

    With a smile Joachim Loew spoke about this topic. Since the barren 0: 0 against Poland with only three scant opportunities dominated the offensive, the debate around the DFB EM delegation. The first important and correct word contribution came from Jerome Boateng, who anmahnte larger spills innovative investment in the attacking zone.

    His boss, the national coach, assisted the Defence Boss with his analysis that too few of the encouraging eighth at edges and entering shares his inside the area, certainly not quickly spurtend. And Sami Khedira says in big kicker interview this Monday that the outstanding football player in the areas beyond the center line "all acted too similar and wanted the ball at his feet."

    The offensive: Fine technician without urge in depth

    on the subject
    Which starting to play against Northern Ireland?
    Just this statement Khedira is enlightening: Mario Gotze, Mesut Ozil and Julian Draxler are all fine technicians who prefer facing movement and feint, less dynamic sprint into the depths. Defence walls it by milling rather with their razor-sharp (Short) passports as determined with the ball at his feet.

    Da Toni Kroos rarely breaks through from the central area of the central panel all the way forward and rather with its precise service and long shots regulates things remain Khedira and Thomas Müller, which can cause chaos with criss-crossing runs.


    Khedira has striven assiduously against Ukraine and eagerly go, holding on against Poland but striking back to strengthen the defense. And Müller appeared against Poland in those phases in which he gave the right wing, too far away from that zone in criminal and six-yard box, where he opponents with his ability to score so frightened usually. Therefore, it must be positioned so that it more up front to let off steam, sometimes here, sometimes there may appear, never accessible to the enemy.

    Since the World Cup: Only three times with a genuine Nine

    Since the German team havent palyed game with a real center-forward since the 2014 World Cup only practiced in three games with Mario Gomez in the middle, and ours is rather unaccustomed, Müller would be an interesting compromise in this central attacker role he before in Brazil two years interpreted in the first four games, with three goals. He could be there in front also alternate with Götze.

    However idol is not the fleet edge runner, he may have more staying in the intermediate areas and because in turn maintain the wise, disinterested position exchange with Ozil. That would Ozil takes at least now and then to his beloved role as number 10 share. At the World Cup of footed was positioned in the first four games right outside the quarterfinals at left. Granted, really well, he does not feel foreign. But any concessions must be made.

    My plea for Sané and Kimmich

    Most important is that the attack with pace and dribbling is elated. Therefore, a trial with Leroy Sané would be highly exciting. The Schalke talent takes off with speed, he can do it on the right, where he previously began in 24 appearances for Schalke (6 goals / 3 assists), as the left (9 times / 1 goal, 3 assists) and would rather anarchy in bring the current offensive static. And the pressure on Loew related to the young EM-elect Sané, Joshua Kimmich and Julian Weigl so strongly, but just as incomprehensible pointed would Sané master safely. He once fearlessly losgelegt the Bernabeu against Real Madrid and skillfully the keeper and cool geschlenzt, in March 2015 then 19 years young.

    Just Kimmich has his nerves already proven when he brought his performance unimpressed for Bayern in the quarter-finals of the Champions League, in an unusual and highly responsible role as a central defender. Against extremely defensive ready Ulsterman Munich would certainly worth considering - to stimulate right-back the offensive, which Benedikt Höwedes known not so wish and can.
     
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  11. herthabsc

    herthabsc Member

    Jun 20, 2007
    I think a deep breath is in order.

    The Poland game was not good. True. Neither was the Ghana game, and Algeria game in 2014. Even the US game was flat and uninspired.

    Nobody is going to fire Löw mid-tournament. Nobody should fire Löw mid-tournament.

    Also - no reasonable trainer would change 5-7 players out of 11 from one game to the next, or put the formation completely on its head. Human chemistry and automatisms take time to learn and this counts more than Football Manager. I think we will see some changes, but they will be minor and within the current system.

    "Friendly-match fans" who start whistling at the team for not being up 3-0 after 30' are rightfully called out on this forum. Some of these reactions are the internet equivalent.
     
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  12. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Not necessarily true.

    N. Ireland made 5 changes from their first game v Poland and improved massively against Ukraine.
     
  13. herthabsc

    herthabsc Member

    Jun 20, 2007
    With all due respect to the North Irish, elite teams make adjustments, not wholesale changes, because they have far more to lose from the disruption to a developed set of tactics and automatisms. We've all seen the drop-off in the friendly games where a bunch of new players were brought in, or played in different formations. That happens less to teams with lower ceilings.

    How many big teams change half their starters for a game that matters?
     
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  14. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    It is beyond stupid considering this has been an ongoing problem, he has done nothing about (incorporate dribblers into the team) and just figured this out now.
     
  15. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    [QUOTE="Perhaps the main problem so far has been the squad selection by Loew. Leaving out more pacey players like Brandt,bellarabi,volland reduces the options to change your system. If you add the abscences of Reus and Gundogan, you have very limited options.[/QUOTE]

    Micheal Ballack said it best. The entire squad is designed to play one way. All of Loew's subs are 1 for 1 replacements without capability to not alter the playing system. With the exception of Sane, the bench does not have players with different skill set that he can insert onto the field to change the playing style. Even inserting Gomez does not change things unless we can play with width and cross the ball effectively which these players can't do - when Gomez was in, we crossed the ball to everyone but him....

    The first 2 games and last few qualification games have shown the limitations of this team. While we might end up with a comprehensive win in this game, it does not change the issues. As I said in a prior post, Loew has to be pragmatic - secure the defense and play conservative offense. The issues we are seeing can't be addressed quickly and without squad changes.
     
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  16. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    England making a lot of changes tonight apparently. Up to 6.

    Far better to have a fluid, flexible squad imo.
     
  17. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Loew made a change against Italy. Every one here had a heavier period flow and start bithcing on why he made the changes.
     
  18. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    That's because he made bad changes that no one thought would be a good idea. Plus the team was winning matches.

    No one will complain about him making changes this time if it doesn't work. They'll complain about other things, but not that.
     
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  19. P to the Wee

    P to the Wee Red Card

    Nov 22, 2011
    Susan is a Little Lamb
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm mostly concerned about what Löw does if his balls start to itch. The media are in his head and he may be too afraid to scratch. That's gotta be some form of torture. Hopefully he keeps a cool head and scratches when he needs to.
     
  20. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    ok will let your voice be heard .. I am contacting him now so he can make the right changes per Bigsoccer standard
     
  21. P to the Wee

    P to the Wee Red Card

    Nov 22, 2011
    Susan is a Little Lamb
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Good luck. I tried calling him once but he hung up on me when he found out I wasn't really Philipp Lahm.
     
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  22. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What bad luck Lahm doesnt have a yank accent.
     
  23. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well I won't have this problem because I know him personally. We scratch balls together on weekend
     
  24. EmersonRW

    EmersonRW Member

    May 3, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    If Low starts Gotze up top, he might as well bench Ozil. Ozil is a great player, but Gotze is marked out of the match by 1 defender as a striker and Ozil gets no space with 2-3 defenders watching him. It is no coincidence that Ozil has come to life in both matches after Gotze has been moved away from the #9 position.

    Muller at striker creates space for everyone else with his movement and use of space, dragging defenders out of their natural positions and requiring multiple defenders to watch him. That is a huge advantage over Gotze as well as Gomez, regardless of whether Muller scores goals or not. Muller has offered little to nothing on the right, no reason to play him there again.

    Panicking and putting BOTH Gomez and Muller at striker at the same time is also not a solution, unless Low plans on going old fashioned and playing a left-footed winger on the left, a right-footed winger on the right, and pouring in crosses. Not very effective, but you will get a goal over 90 minutes, eventually. However, Low decided to play Schurrle inverted on the left, Ozil in the middle, and try to play tiki-taka with Gomez and Muller as double strikers. That's like trying to fit a hot dog through a key-hole.

    I truly can't understand Low complaining about having no 1-on-1 players when he hasn't given Sane a single minute and took Podolski over Bellarabi.

    I don't think Low will change the midfield pairing at all. Perhaps the best we could hope for would be this.

    -------------------Muller
    Schurrle---------Ozil----------Sane
    ------------Khedira--Kroos
    Hector-Hummels-Boateng-Kimmich/Can
    -------------------Neuer

    3 changes might be asking too much of Low, even after only getting 3 shots on target in 90 minutes.
     
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  25. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Löw did not say we have no 1v1 players. He said we do not have many in our team so we rely more on combination play and movement than individual battles.

    You guys need to chill out. The most important thing in EM is to have a solid defense and we have kept two clean sheets against solid offensive sides. The offense will come together eventually. I would just swap Götze to the wing and play Müller through the middle. We don't need wholesale changes. If Götze or Draxler isn't performing then bring on Schurrle. Sane is a counter attack player and will see time late in matches if we have a lead.
     
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