Euro 2012 Qualifier: Italy - Serbia (Oct. 13th 2010) [R]

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by DDR, Oct 12, 2010.

  1. Romanista_NYC

    Romanista_NYC Member

    Jun 19, 2006
    Basel, Switzerland
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    That there sums up the Balkan mentality, paesa'.
     
  2. DDR

    DDR Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 13, 2006
    Club:
    AS Roma
    As I said hear say ... Did the fans acting out in the city during the afternoon experience a premonition? The ones that threw a bomb at their goal keeper outside of the stadium in the team bus? Did they see over the walls of the stadium? Maybe a friend sent them an SMS tipping them off.
     
  3. DIECI

    DIECI Member

    Sep 1, 2004
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    big 3-0 win for the new Azzurri!! See?? and Lippi didn't take Cassano to South Africa! Look at the results now Lippi!!!:D
     
  4. DIECI

    DIECI Member

    Sep 1, 2004
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy


    they were going to give them to Iaquinta but its hit the crossbar with a header. :p
     
  5. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    also see what happens when you play with flare!

    :eek:
     
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  6. moqq

    moqq New Member

    Sep 3, 2010
    I dont care if it s true or not, and i neither care to talk about these riots.These kind of groups have only a goal to make riots pre and after the match,they too want see the match ,but if during the match happens something that disturbs them they starts again with riots.There is no group that starts with the idea to "erase" a match.


    that serbian guy explained because it happened.
     
  7. DDRoma

    DDRoma Member

    May 23, 2010
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Update



     
  8. GiancarloC

    GiancarloC Member

    Sep 4, 2010
    LA, California
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    There were tactical reasons why the checks were dropped outside the stadium, and some of these were valid.

    http://www.football-italia.net/oct13t.html

    UEFA must understand this. There was already rioting throughout the city by these hooligans. What the authorities did was a tactical move, merely to get them in one area.

    It's sad that the stadium suffered damage, but any previous speculation on this matter is cleared up by these statements.

    By doing this, the police avoided confrontations throughout the city and limiting it to one area. It also allowed the detainment of the leader of these thugs and others.

    Italy does seem certain to get the 3 points in a 3-0 awarded win by UEFA, according to Gazzetta and other sources. However, Serbia will have to wait while discussions are done on what their punishment should be.

    It could range from playing the remainder of their home matches in empty stadiums (and the ban of Serb fans from attending away games), or worse, expulsion from the tournament all together.

    http://www.football-italia.net/oct13l.html

     
  9. forza_azzurri

    forza_azzurri Member

    May 31, 2005
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
  10. GiancarloC

    GiancarloC Member

    Sep 4, 2010
    LA, California
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Are Serbs also angry about Berlusconi's close friendship with Rezart Taci, one of the richest Albanians? Italy is opening ties with Albania (though Berlusconi had a bit of a gaffe when he talked about immigrants from the country).

    Either way, as far as the Albanian flag being waved, they need to get over it. In the Western world, there is something called "freedom of expression". So whether the flag was waved or not (something I doubt because I question the credibility of Serb fans)... it's not a reason to start violence.
     
  11. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    Another shutout for the much-maligned Bonucci-Chiellini partnership. ;)
     
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  12. forza_azzurri

    forza_azzurri Member

    May 31, 2005
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    We only allowed 1 goal in 4 games and that was in the 1st half of the first game. :D
     
  13. AmericanKaka

    AmericanKaka Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Cassano was pissed. They did this in his house. He looked like he was ready to call some guys from Bari Vecchia and go up there to deal with the problem in the stands personally.

    It's an interesting argument that Italian authorities are making... they basically used the match as a ruse to get the rioters contained into one place.

    On the other hand... WTF? The police can't take care of business out in the streets? The beatdowns should have been happening long before the stadium doors opened, as soon as the Serb thugs got rowdy.
     
  14. GiancarloC

    GiancarloC Member

    Sep 4, 2010
    LA, California
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    If they gone after them out in the streets, then there would have been extensive property damage throughout the entire city. It was better to get them in one area and have their asses kicked. I see why they did it.

    And the potential is that the leader of the hooligans could have got away if they didn't do what they did. Now he'll face justice.
     
  15. mattteo

    mattteo Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
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  16. mattteo

    mattteo Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Tbf until about 7 pm they were pretty calm...mostly in bars getting destroyed...then suddenly they teamed up and started throwing bottles at people and attempting to rob shops.

    I took the train from Brignole (which is right along the path to the stadium) at 6.40 pm and didn't notice anything nor hear any siren.

    But yeah, the pre-game attitude and the planning in general was pretty poor. Especially in comparison to what happens to Italian organized groups on a weekly basis. Inside the stadium and after the game they did a good job, though.
     
  17. moqq

    moqq New Member

    Sep 3, 2010
  18. RedStarBg

    RedStarBg Member

    Jan 11, 2010
    Serbia
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Serbia
    Our minister of police explained everything! Find some Serb to translate this, i dont have time!
     
  19. stucazzo81

    stucazzo81 Member

    May 15, 2009
    New Jersey
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Here's a google translation:

    Is it true that the Serbian police reported that the Italians will come to Genoa quiet fans?

    - It is absolutely false. Neither the Italian police, but not Serbian, the Italian football federation is not addressed by our police for help. We are independently Interpol in Rome, Zagreb, Ljubljana, Budapest and Vienna have sent information about the technical details, we told them when and how the fans get, we sent them the route that will move when the teams arrive, which will be located .. .

    Why do our fans were not police officers in plain clothes? This would help control the situation.

    - FSS had contacted us with a request that the police are going with our fans. We used to apply these methods, but not always. Five police officers went to secure our national team in South Africa. But it is only at the request of FAS or the club. Even if our operatives went, it would be several, not responsible for the maintenance of public order and peace. The obligation of the host to provide our team.

    So, blame the Italians?

    - Please come, and imagine that the Italian team for being attacked in Belgrade! Well, whether it was responsible for Italian and Serbian police? How is it possible that someone went into the bus and attacked our players? Where was the Italian police! How is it possible that the fans entered the stadium torch, and other reference resources? How is it possible that a group of 100, 200 supporters abandon the match, and that the Italian police do not intervene? Shifting responsibility to the Serbian police is just an attempt to find an excuse for poor organization of the games played there. Or, perhaps, someone more suited to the game is lost.

    Which was consistent with that game is broken?

    - Two hours before the match FSS has informed us that the Italian police informed of the intention to end the game fans. It was all bad organization matches, the FA all the way to the police. No one reproach, but it's not fair to say that the Serbian police blame.
     
  20. stucazzo81

    stucazzo81 Member

    May 15, 2009
    New Jersey
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Nice way to deflect. Why not man up and these guys are terrorists and should be put down like 3 legged horses.
     
  21. mattteo

    mattteo Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Not exactly the most balanced of sources.
     
  22. GiancarloC

    GiancarloC Member

    Sep 4, 2010
    LA, California
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Your minister of police is just covering his own reputation...
     
  23. gcstorm9

    gcstorm9 Member

    Dec 17, 2001
    Coral Springs, Fl
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Its a shitty situation. Italian police should have gone up and removed the guy with mask while at stadium. He was causing trouble, remove him. Dont give chance after chance and arrest after. Do it then, postpone the game 45minutes and remove any one who throws flares onto field. There is NO REASON why a few hundred ppl can do what these guys did and cancel a game.

    There has to be some sort of agency who keeps track of these hooligans. Milan should know the hooligans from our team, Juve know there hooligans, Real should know theres, etc etc. Then they should share info with national team federations and when national teams or club teams go to play other teams they should inform the home team agency of the ppl they should be on the look out for. This thug with the black shirt, black mask, "spiderman" who they caught should be BANNED from ever going to an international game. If they want him in Serbia, thats there deal, but FIFA should ban him from ever attending a game outside Serbia...just my $.02
     
  24. cccssss

    cccssss New Member

    Jun 10, 2008
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Serbia
    The hooligans didn't have their ass kicked but the other "normal" supporters unfortunately. From another forum:

    I heard from a couple of guys that were there that the security searched all serbian fans before the match and they don't know how could someone smuggle all those flares and other stuff into the stadium. The incidents started in the city during the "corteo" of serbian fans before the match (a few cars destroyed and some fighting with police) and after the match. They said that it was nothing special at the stadium, a couple of flares etc and they don't know why the match was suspended :p They also said that the italian police is even more incompetent than the serbian police because instead of singling out 50-100 hooligans, they managed to get everyone involved.
     
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  25. gcstorm9

    gcstorm9 Member

    Dec 17, 2001
    Coral Springs, Fl
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Heres an idea. Next time dont travel to a foreign country with intent of rioting. The Italian police searched every bus to find this masked tattoo guy called Ivan Bogdanov. Its very easy, when the police say to leave and to stop what ur doing, u listen and leave. In the videos Ive seen there were plenty of opportunities to leave, yet rioters kept throwing flares and starting chaos. The Serbian supporters were terrorizing the city before hand, during the games, and after. So because of that, and I do not agree with this at all, but there were no checkpoints and Serbian supporters were let in just so they would stop destroying the city. Yet they managed to cancel a WC qualifying match.

    Why the riot police couldnt just go up there and take the few causing trouble out of the stadium and let game proceed is beyond me. There r mulitple levels of incompetency that went on, but I for one was glad to see videos of some hooligans getting hit the snot outta them. Its about time actually, people do things thinking cops wont fight back, that they will just let them do whatever they please. Next time u come to Genoa and riot, be prepared for a fight...
     
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