English Premier League 16-17 (R) assignments and discussion

Is it?

Again, I don't know what the correct decision should be here, but I think the goal should stand here.

I'm curious as to how PGMOL views this decision. I think they themselves would not support the AR here and they would grade it as a wrong a decision. That will be the key in regards to how a VAR will review this decision. If PGMOL thinks this is offside then the goal will be disallowed, but if they view this as onside, than the decision is overturned and the goal awarded.

Regardless, this just shows how silly it is, for me, to be using VARs to look at offside.

We are looking at a still and we can't come to clear consensus as to what the correct decision should be...

 

I'm just assuming that the VAR and CR would go over clips like this or similar to it in their seminars and weekly meetings and they would know, already, from their experiences of what PGMOL wants here. So, naturally, they would apply that knowledge when reviewing this play when they are VARs or looking at a tablet pitchside and make the decision based on that.

Again, I'm completely speculating as what the correct call is in this case. It's just my personal opinion, that the goal should stand and that PGMOL wants the goal to stand. It could be the other way and they would think this is offside.

 

Regarding the Manchester United offside decision, the camera angle used (with the line added) to try to show TV viewers if Ibrahimovic was offside was not positioned to show the same view as the AR who appeared to be in position to make the call. With a camera angle like that, how can you tell if the player was offside? Am I missing something?

 

That Ibrahimovic offside is a tough one. IMO the goal should have stood, it is far to close by all I've seen of it to call it off (benefit to the attacker and all that). But I also think that it is a close and quick enough situation that it won't hurt the AR much (nor should it). And I agree with @MassachusettsRef that, with the video evidence available, I can't see the decision being overturned because there just isn't anything clear cut to make such a decision.

 

Not a good day for English referees today it seems. Atkinson likely missed 2 or 3 penalties in the Arsenal v West Ham match today (his AR made a good offside non-call on the first goal though ).


Didn't see the separate thread for this, I'll post my comments there instead.
And Keith Stroud in the Championship gave an IDFK going out for encroachment on a PK that was scored. Apparently he had a 2 min discussion with his AR but refused to accept that he was wrong.

 

I was ignoring his upper body because your arms can be offside because you can't score a goal with your arms. I wasn't thinking about the fact that you can score with your shoulder. Watching live, I thought his feet were level with the last defender, and on replay I thought his feet were onside by inches. I agree that Mourinho shouldn't claim that a VAR certainly would have allowed it. Is there a way of judging offside with a player leaning forward without having cameras in the air?

 

Well I guess now we need offside line technology. Get on that FIFA!

 

That's not the reason for lack of arms.

The reason is much more practical... you can't tell which arm belongs to whom when looking across a pitch.

(Note: a GK CAN score a goal with their arms... it's a hell of a long throw, but can be done).

 

But not from where OSP matters!

And I suppose any player could be credited with a goal should a ball rebound off the player into the goal and the contact was not deliberate . . . so that OSP positioned hand could turn out to be an advantage

 

One side of me is saying you are trying to start something and are trolling. But damn if the sunglasses on that smiley don't make me want to trust you.

 

With the wind we had in my game last night, the upwind keeper was actually in some moderate danger of scoring with his hands ...

 

Close...

 

I'm surprised by how different that picture looks compared to what I saw (or what I thought I saw). You can't see the defender's feet, but Ibrahimovic has his left arm and head offside. You like the Swedish national team. How are cameras positioned? Is it possible that a play will look different based on what channel and/or country you're watching it?

 

Arm is totally irrelevant for OS.

 

This. As well as the fact that if we are going to get as nit picky as using video review and still gram photography the defenders appendages is just as important for determining offside as the attackers. Since we can't see the defenders legs in this still we can't make an accurate determination.

 

I did not produce that picture, it was captured by someone on another forum I visit, think it was from an English source.

I'm pretty sure that the back foot of the defender is found just besides the left hand of Zlatan in that picture.

 

Good catch, I couldn't see it while viewing on my phone. Makes me doubt even more of this is offside.

 

Bobby Madley with Man Utd - Chelsea this weekend. Clattenburg returns to action with Everton - Burnley.

 

He has reached the height of fame now. There is a trivia quiz show on TV in England called "15 to 1"
and he was the answer to a question! (Who was the referee in three Cup Finals in 2016?)
However the contestant was an older woman and did know the answer!

Uneventful relatively easy game today at Goodison! Obvious PK, no other issues.

PH