Any thoughts on the Liverpool vs Man City match. Quite an exciting end to end match with a couple of controversial calls, non-calls for young Mr. Oliver. My scoreboard (with the benefit of IR, of course) 1) Aguero, 15th, good one for me. No call KA made a meal of it. 2) Mane (25th)... perfect non-call, defender running with him and there was incidental contact. 3) Milner on Sterling.(39th)..wow how was this one missed? 4) Clichy on Firminho..(49Th) announcers kept saying that C got ball and one even mentioned handling....fact of the matter is that ball or no ball, he tumbled through the player for a DFK in the area. PK all the way. 5) Yaya T's caution....maybe in EPL only a caution but my games (youth through PDL) I have to think it is a SO for SFP...full studs into chest! This one reminds me of Esse's recommendation that if player puts himself in the situation, he needs to deal with the consequences resulting from his/her actions. Overall a great competitive match with two teams that had no intentions of doing anything but win. And, both sides could/should have won it.
About #3...I am going to guess that the movement if the ball had something to do with the non-call. After the challenge is made, the ball moves away from goal, and I had thought originally that Milner had won the ball with the tackle causing the ball to go away from goal. I'm wrong of course! #4...I think the announcers forgot to look at what happens AFTER the touch on the ball. Clichy goes right through the attacker and wipes him out again causing me to talk back to my TV saying, "just because you got a touch....." #5..Toure's caution unfortunately is the way in the League. It should have been his 2ct, though. First caution was for being SLOW!
Announcers don't know the LOTG. Pay no attention to ANYTHING they say in this regard. Toure looked totally cream-crackered during the match, especially in the 2nd half. The Liverpool players were just running past him very easily. A game that was both very good entertainment but with some atrocious errors at the same time by both teams. Both deserved to lose, but neither deserved to win! PH
Keith Hackett not happy with state of refereeing in BPL. Blames PGMOL! https://you-are-the-ref.com/hacketts-verdict-premier-league-needs-pep-listen-guardiola/ PH
But do they have a point in regards to the development of upcoming officials, and the optimum utilization of the current group? Remember e.g. Clattenburg was put on a lot of low profile matches for a while. PH
Not much of a point though. The high profile games goes to the experienced guys and the low profile ones to the "lesser" referees. Slating Oliver for performance is one thing but you can't really do it for inexperience.
I have no big issues with calling the PK here but if you take the same timing, amount of contact with the ball and contact with the player but move the contact to shin height instead I doubt anyone would have thought it was a penalty. Should the height of the challenge make that much of a difference?
Did you read my post? They gave a lot of low profile games to Clattenburg, hardly one of the "lesser" referees! Hence the criticism of the PGMOL and its management of the referee group together with the apparent lack of development. It seems that there are plenty of "insiders" who are dissatisfied with the leadership. Some of this is reflected in performance, perhaps. PH
Here are the assignments for the next set of Matches which are week 30. Lee Probert, who has dealt with a series of injuries over the last couple of years, returns to the Premier League. According to the Guardian, he did the FA Cup Final in 2014 but only 7 top flight matches since then. He has been working this year in the lower divisions. 01.04.17 13:30 CET Liverpool - Everton Referee: Anthony Taylor Assistant Referees: Simon Bennett, Adam Nunn Fourth Official: Martin Atkinson 01.04.17 16:00 CET Burnley - Tottenham Hotspur Referee: Stuart Attwell Assistant Referees: Gary Beswick, David Bryan Fourth Official: Michael Oliver 01.04.17 16:00 CET Chelsea - Crystal Palace Referee: Craig Pawson Assistant Referees: Scott Ledger, Ian Hussin Fourth Official: Andre Marriner 01.04.17 16:00 CET Hull City - West Ham Referee: Mike Jones Assistant Referees: Matt Wilkes, Mark Scholes Fourth Official: Neil Swarbrick 01.04.17 16:00 CET Leicester City - Stoke City Referee: Lee Mason Assistant Referees: Stuart Burt, Mike McDonough Fourth Official: Geoff Eltringham 01.04.17 16:00 CET Manchester United - West Bromwich Albion Referee: Mike Dean Assistant Referees: Jake Collin, Simon Long Fourth Official: Peter Bankes 01.04.17 16:00 CET Watford - Sunderland Referee: Lee Probert Assistant Referees: Andy Garratt, Adrian Holmes Fourth Official: Roger East 01.04.17 18:30 CET Southampton - AFC Bournemouth Referee: Jonathan Moss Assistant Referees: Edward Smart, Andy Halliday Fourth Official: Paul Tierney 02.04.17 14:30 CET Swansea City - Middlesbrough Referee: Robert Madley Assistant Referees: Peter Kirkup, Marc Perry Fourth Official: Roger East 02.04.17 17:00 CET Arsenal - Manchester City Referee: Andre Marriner Assistant Referees: Simon Beck, Richard West Fourth Official: Craig Pawson
Not a great game by Pawson. Missed a pretty clear DOGSO-H by Palace early in the match. Should have been playing with 10 and most likely tied @ 2. YC on Costa seemed a bit light especially with some of the fouls that had already went without caution. But, on the other hand it was against Chelsea so I can't complain too much.
Forgot about the midweek games, so here's the schedule starting with the games already played today.... And it appears we will have a debut on the weekend with referee Chris Kavanaugh taking charge of WBA-Southampton. He has done Premier League teams before in Cup Competition, but this will be his first PL Match. (Unless I missed one somewhere!) Premier League (MD 31) 04.04.17 20:45 CET Burnley - Stoke City Referee: Kevin Friend Assistant Referees: Harry Lennard, Derek Eaton Fourth Official: Anthony Taylor 04.04.17 20:45 CET Leicester City - Sunderland Referee: Graham Scott Assistant Referees: Darren Cann, Matt Wilkes Fourth Official: Andre Marriner 04.04.17 20:45 CET Watford - West Bromwich Albion Referee: Paul Tierney Assistant Referees: Marc Perry, David Bryan Fourth Official: Mike Jones 04.04.17 21:00 CET Manchester United - Everton Referee: Neil Swarbrick Assistant Referees: Constantine Hatzidakis, Scott Ledger Fourth Official: Robert Madley 05.04.17 20:45 CET Arsenal - West Ham Referee: Martin Atkinson Assistant Referees: Stephen Child, Adam Nunn Fourth Official: Stuart Attwell 05.04.17 20:45 CET Hull City - Middlesbrough Referee: Michael Oliver Assistant Referees: Gary Beswick, Mike McDonough Fourth Official: Craig Pawson 05.04.17 20:45 CET Southampton - Crystal Palace Referee: Roger East Assistant Referees: Adrian Holmes, Mark Scholes Fourth Official: Lee Probert 05.04.17 20:45 CET Swansea City - Tottenham Hotspur Referee: Jonathan Moss Assistant Referees: Simon Bennett, Edward Smart Fourth Official: Tim Robinson 05.04.17 20:45 CET Chelsea - Manchester City Referee: Mike Dean Assistant Referees: Jake Collin, Simon Long Fourth Official: Robert Madley 05.04.17 21:00 CET Liverpool - AFC Bournemouth Referee: Lee Mason Assistant Referees: Stuart Burt, Richard West Fourth Official: Paul Tierney Premier League (MD 32) 08.04.17 13:30 CET Tottenham Hotspur - Watford Referee: Anthony Taylor Assistant Referees: Simon Bennett, Harry Lennard Fourth Official: Lee Mason 08.04.17 16:00 CET Manchester CIty - Hull City Referee: Jonathan Moss Assistant Referees: Edward Smart, Andy Halliday Fourth Official: Mike Jones 08.04.17 16:00 CET Middlesbrough - Burnley Referee: Martin Atkinson Assistant Referees: Stephen Child, David Bryan Fourth Official: Paul Tierney 08.04.17 16:00 CET Stoke City - Liverpool Referee: Mike Dean Assistant Referees: Simon Long, Darren Cann Fourth Official: Jeremy Simpson 08.04.17 16:00 CET West Bromwich Albion - Southampton Referee: Chris Kavanagh Assistant Referees: Peter Kirkup, Adam Nunn Fourth Official: Robert Madley 08.04.17 16:00 CET West Ham - Swansea City Referee: Kevin Friend Assistant Referees: Andy Garratt, Derek Eaton Fourth Official: Simon Hooper 08.04.17 18:30 CET AFC Bournemouth - Chelsea Referee: Andre Marriner Assistant Referees: Simon Beck, Scott Ledger Fourth Official: Graham Scott 09.04.17 14:30 CET Sunderland - Manchester United Referee: Craig Pawson Assistant Referees: Ian Hussin, Richard West Fourth Official: Mike Jones 09.04.17 17:00 CET Everton - Leicester City Referee: Robert Madley Assistant Referees: Marc Perry, Adrian Holmes Fourth Official: Paul Tierney 10.04.17 21:00 CET Crystal Palace - Arsenal Referee: Michael Oliver Assistant Referees: Gary Beswick, Jake Collin Fourth Official: Neil Swarbrick
Neil Swarbrick had a bit of a struggle with the Everton-Manchester United match. I thought he took to long to find a rythym and he was scattershot with his cards. He completely botched a drop ball restart which almost led to a fight. But, in the end, he got the big call correct with a dogso-h at the death and a proper sending off of Ashley Williams.
Turns up in the wrong thread, and probably in the wrong forum entirely, opens with yo, and posts a link that doesn't work. The Pompey is strong with this one...
Just created the account and has done a c/p of the same post in several places. I wouldn't click on that link unless I was very sure about my security precautions.
In addition to any errors made by Swarbrick, Ibrahimovic was denied a goal by a bad offside call by the AR on the left side.
You mean this one? Ibrahimovic's left shoulder is the part of his body we need to take into account, not his feet. Given his lean forward, I think there's a very good chance this is a correct decision. At the very least, Mourinho's assertion that VAR would have allowed this goal is nonsense and further proof that it cannot be the panacea people claim. No way this decision gets overturned.
Fascinating look at behind the scenes of EPL referees in regards to decision making, post match analysis and training, etc. Here is a clip where Mike Mullarkey (probably one of the greatest ARs of all time) explains the flash lag effect and it is something we can all use when we run lines. Basically, on a situation where the defender and attacker are crossing and it looks barely offside, it's probably onside. A great special and really humanizes referees.
Ah, but in this case it can't. That replay doesn't confirm offside, it just confirms the decision is too close to overturn. His ire would be directed at the VAR, rather than the AR. Same book, different character.
I'm a ManU fan and I thought it was the correct call on the lean. The announcers, specifically Phil Neville, would not let it go.
The ball was near the halfway line after Everton had played it there with one of their players down and injured which technically gave the possession to ManU. After a brief stoppage for the injury, the two teams could not decide who was going to play the ball to whom on the drop. Swarbrick just stood watching the argument heat up until he dropped it and an Everton player ran in to claim it and was immediately hacked down by Ashley Young, who was shown yellow. I know it's not OUR responsibility to police a drop ball, but it is OUR responsibility to not let the match devolve into a fight. If that had been a MBB match, there would have been an all out brawl. Another few seconds and the situation would have resolved itself. Not blaming him, but also Not absolving him either. Too much of a chance for a flash point. And Young committed what I thought to be SFP with his hack, but the situation had been mishandled into a yellow. However, this whole incident was seen thru Everton Blue eyes!!!