English players Dual Nationality thread

Discussion in 'England' started by Simon Barnes, Apr 22, 2015.

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  1. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Ha, I actually thought he was from the USA. Just downloaded Football manager 2019 on my phone today and just by chance fancied a start out with Derby and noticed they have him down as a US player.
     
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  2. Crvena Zvezda

    Crvena Zvezda Member

    Manchester United
    England
    Apr 11, 2017
    I think your beef might be more to do with skin colour rather than athleticism issues.
     
  3. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Pathetic attempt to play the race card. Read the article.
     
  4. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The US has been trying to call 17-year-old Kelman in regularly and get him comfortable in the program before he might be good enough for England youth teams, but he's only accepted one US youth callup so far. As far as club goes, he seems fairly committed to Southend and a League One debut is probably looming. His footballing background is a bit different from some of the other England-based US recruits, as he actually did spend six years living in Texas including time in the FC Dallas setup.
    https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/11/...n-very-interested-in-prolific-charlie-kelman/
     
  5. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Think he kinda fibs about the part where Wales didn't contact him when they selected him? If true I find that shocking.
     
  6. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
    Team USA are screwing themselves by having so many mercenaries in their ranks. They need to get back to the era when they had the likes of McBride and Donovan . Not a team full of German and English born players.
     
  7. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    JRSG will hate me for saying it but they're becoming 'overly reliant' on a small demographic.. a bit like Ireland. At least Wales and Scotland are producing some of their own star players.
     
  8. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    How is Pulisic different?
     
  9. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof

    Overly reliant ? How so ?
     
  10. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Well, Ireland and USA seem to be constantly looking to pick up players produced elsewhere. It’s a slippery slope.

    Surely producing players from within your own system is more sustainable.
     
  11. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    My question was to do with the phrase overly reliant.
     
  12. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Do you want a definition or something?
     
  13. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    No. You made a claim. I was wondering how you came to that conclusion.

    The example above about the kid at Southend is hilarious. Same as Robinson.

    They are producing some decent players as well.
     
  14. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    At the risk of this turning political, I've got to stick up for McClean here. Whatever the poppy is meant to represent, in this country it's trademarked and sold by the Royal British Legion to raise money for current and former members of the British Armed Forces specifically.

    If you think he's wrong to have ill-feeling towards the British Armed Forces then by all means criticise him for that, but I don't think it's fair or accurate to say that he's showing his ignorance in identifying the RBL's poppy appeal as a fundraising campaign for the British Armed Forces community. It's exactly that.
     
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  15. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    They do it because the there's not many decent home born players. The scouting system and youth development across the country is a joke.
     
  16. wellno

    wellno Member+

    Jul 31, 2016
    If you're doing definitions could you give one for BBQ?
     
  17. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Oh gawn, please no, not another thread talking about this
    tiresome subject. :ninja:
     
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  18. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Yeah, let’s leave it. If you don’t know you can probably guess from the context.
     
  19. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
    For me , it was Klinsmann who took the team away from their strengths..
    suddenly they had players who didnt care about the team cause .
     
  20. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
  21. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't necessarily call Kelman a mercenary for the US: his father is American and he did spend 6 full years growing up in the US. Granted, he probably prefers and wants to hold out for England as he's only accepted one US callup. But he's partially American by any reasonable definition. In contrast, there are some other players who have played for the US youth teams who were only born there and lived a few months or a year or so, before moving to England, with no familial US connection.
     
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  22. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    #1572 Marcho Gamgee, Nov 6, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2018
    Fwiw, still no Declan Rice in the latest Ireland Squad just announced today....I do wish some kind of decision will be officially made as soon as possible, just to put Greengrass out of his misery ;)
     
  23. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Paul Glatzel called up to Germany U18 that will play one friendly.
     
  24. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I thought he made them better because with that he brought in more talent, albeit not much, but it made a difference. Without that they would've been worse.
     
  25. greengrass81

    greengrass81 Member

    Manchester United
    Aug 2, 2015
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    It looks like Rice is genuinely torn between both countries. See the article below.

    https://tinyurl.com/y72o4bxb
     
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