English players Dual Nationality thread

Difficult to tell from the Statutes. It's phrased as follows:

"He is not permitted to play for his new association in any competition in which he has already played for his previous association."

...so it depends on whether "any competition" means the 2018/19 Under-17 Euros specifically, or the Under-17 Euros in general. I suspect the former, but it's worth bearing in mind that doing what you describe would mean using up his one switch, so he's unlikely to do it unless he's already fixed on playing for England.

 

Actually, didn't McGuane go to the under-17 Euros with Ireland and England in successive years?

 

that's a good point.

 

It's based on tournament cycles. You can do two tournaments in two successive years for two countries but you can't play qualifiers for one country then switch to the other for the tournament proper as it's the same cycle.

 

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— Victor Moses (@VictorMoses) August 15, 2018

Pretty sure there's some reading between the lines to be done here, but I'm not sure exactly what.

 

I think International football is just a bit brutal for African players.

There's so much travelling, the logistics aren't as easy, the comfort levels are below what they're used to at their clubs, there's loads of politics going on behind the scenes. the pressure is huge, the qualification campaigns make things as tough as possible for the big teams, there's so much turnover etc etc.

It's a huge advantage for England when it comes to retaining players. Guys like Aina + Iwobi may enjoy it through one WC cycle, but I bet it'll begin to grind them down from here on out. Two World Cups and an Afcon win was probably enough for Moses.

People like Chuba Akpom will always be options for them if they get to their early 20s and things have stagnated a bit, but I think the only worry England would have of a big defection is if a group of 4 or 5 decided to all go together. I thought for a moment that we could see that with Aina, Abraham, Tomori, Akpon and some more of that group going en masse. But, I think England is such a safe option for the time being.

Moses has had a good little career for himself though, nothing to be ashamed of and i'm sure he doesn't have any regrets. As always, i'm sure there will be loads of turnover from this Nigeria squad to the next one despite it being a young one. Is always the case, especially when you're parachuting in people with the enticement of a WC spot.

 

England U17 and Arsenal U18/U23 striker Folarin Balogun, born in New York, is being called up by USA U18s for a tournament in the Czech Republic. The US federation has obviously been monitoring him and contacting him for a while. He is provisionally cap-tied to England due to playing in the U17 European Championship. It is unclear whether he will file a switch or if he will only train with the US.

Edit: Wolves starlet Owen Otasowie, also born in New York, is also on the US U18 squad. He signed a pro deal with Wolves upon their promotion to the Premier League.

 

not liking how much dual nationals are extremely fickle these days.

I recall not long ago, there was more patience on their parts once they chose a country. Nowadays they go back and forth between countries, extremely undecided bunch.

look at Balogun, chooses England, plays in the U17 EC, misses the last PK in a shootout, then 3 months later jumps to the US, even if it's training only, why do it? Where's the loyalty or patience? We are not even talking about years passing by...

I think it's not smart for players to use their one time switch when they are still youth players. Use that once it's senior level and you know where you stand. Also being ignored in the youth levels matters little, so many players get ignored/left out in the youth levels make it in the seniors.

 

I'm pretty shocked by the callup. My sense was Balogun was going to try to push his limits exclusively with England, at least at the youth levels. The US already tried to call him before the U17 EC and he accepted the provisionally-tying England callup instead. My guess is it's only training because it doesn't make any sense to file a one-time switch, but who knows.

 

Speaking of weird situations, Dembele is on the bench for Scotland U17’s today. He was playing for England U16’s not long ago but continues to play for both Countries.

 

Confirmed that Balogun has not filed a switch and can play for the US in these friendly matches.

Arsenal youngster Folarin Balogun will play for the United States' under-18 team in a friendly tournament this week, though the the striker has not officially switched allegiances from England:https://t.co/FeLSfSM5OP

— Mattias Karén (@MattiasKaren) August 20, 2018

 

Can’t make my mind up whether to go in and have a peek at that Twitter feed and see the Irish having a complete meltdown just like the Grealish saga.......oh go on then, let’s have a peek, it should be fun.

 

Germany U16 have called up Jamal Musiala and Bright Arrey-Mbi.

Musiala seems to flip flop a lot, seems undecided. Cap tied games are next year in the U17 level, whether for England or Germany, he still has time.

 

I don't think there's much worry that they won't come back. I do wonder if Germany will ever revise their strategy if these English kids keep taking up spots but never stay in the system.

Btw, how come Moukoko isn't in the German U16s? I know he's not actually 13, so are Germany just trying not to get too involved with him yet?

 

Interesting article about Declan rice thinking of changing allegiance to england: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ic-Ireland-squad-consider-England-switch.html

 

I wonder why our FA have approached him now? I mean, I can’t imagine he gets into our senior Squad yet and he can’t play for our U21’s unless it’s friendlies so I wonder what the pulling promise would be? I guess he will still be eligible for the next U21 cycle as a start but that’s another year away.

 

Given Ireland have competitive fixtures coming up it's now or never. he same with any pitch to a player like this - everyone knows it's going to be a longer road. They've got to want the potential rewards at the end enough.

 

Whats there to think about ?. O Neill should tell him to do one. You either want to play for your country or you don't .

It seems Rice has changed his agent over the summer . So he has obviously been in his ear. But that's no excuse for him stringing us along like Grealish. In fact he is worse than Grealish because Rice stated he was always fully committed to us, where as Grealish was always reluctant to nail his colours to the mast

He wouldn't string Southgate along, so what gives him the right to take O' Neill and the Irish supporters for a ride.

 

I'm not surprised the other Home Nations and the Republic are trying to get English born players.

Their current squads are awful.

 

Oh diddums.

 

While we have a bunch of talented enough players thoughout our U17-U21 setups.