Eliminatorias a RUSIA 2018

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  1. chaski

    chaski Moderator
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    Mar 20, 2000
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    Lisburn Distillery FC
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    Turks and Caicos Islands
    The tweet is news.
    The rest is trolling. :rolleyes:
     
  2. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    897152807454875649 is not a valid tweet id
     
  3. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    It has been reported that Luis Suarez will miss Uruguay's matches against Argentina and Paraguay.

    Uruguay seems to love to get the 5th spot every cycle and this will probably help them get that again unless they overachieve somehow.
     
  4. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    I hope so. The fact that Peru or Chile did not report it in time should be irrelevant because it is not Peru or Chile's job to check everyone playing for the other national team is allowed to do so. That should be CONMEBOL's job. In the end if it wasn't for a smart Peruvian journalist none of this would have been known to anyone.
     
  5. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Why is Suarez missing those matches?
     
  6. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Injury.
     
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  7. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    To make it fair... Now you guys have a chance... ;)
     
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  8. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
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    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    It wasn't either. FIFA did the original investigation.

    Which makes it even sillier to give the points back to Bolivia. They took it away once, you shouldn't play ping pong with points. Especially not months after taking them away.
     
  9. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    Todavía hay chance de que juegue. La lesión ha evolucionado más rápido de lo esperado. Mañana llega a Montevideo.
    La negra Juana, la curandera del barrio Sur, lo está esperando con sus ungüentos y sus gualichos. A rezar uruguayos... a rezar...
    Santa María madre de Dios.....
    Vamo' arriba!
     
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  10. Ezto

    Ezto Member

    Jun 27, 2007
    NY
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    TAS upholds FIFA's decision. Más lagrimas en instantes...
     
  11. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
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    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Everyone here is shocked because the Argentinian press said they won. It was obvious that they were just applying pressure. If it was only the nation in favour of Bolivia reporting it, wasn't it blatantly obvious that it was all lies?

    I knew to only believe the official decision. Once Bolivias president resigned I knew it was over but still awaited until it was done.
     
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  12. SiempreCrema

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    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    As for the decision, it is 100% the correct one. You can argue that the original decision was harsh all you like but the points were already taken away. Don't return what you took.
     
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  13. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Punish Bolivia for their stupidity by taking away those points, but giving the points to Chile and Peru that were not earned is too generous.
     
  14. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yo solo he visto a un grupo llorar aca.
     
  15. SiempreCrema

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    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Professionality doesn't care for generous or not. They care about if the rule is enforced, which in this case, FIFA has been extremely consistent in enforcing the rule about playing ineligible players. The punishment is and always has been a 3-0 default loss. They aren't going to change that for the sake of not being too generous.

    Again, the points were already taken away. Don't play around with them.
     
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  16. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
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    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Que poco de futbol les gusta hablar en este thread.
     
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  17. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Lo que he mantenido: los paises que van lo tienen que hacer en la cancha. si hay trampa pues se asumen las consecuencias

     
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  18. SiempreCrema

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    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Ecuador dice eso porque si no sacan una victoria ante Brazil o Peru, ya estan fuera.
     
  19. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
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    O Higgins Rancagua
    REad the book. FIfa rule says the points go to the other team in this case CHile and Peru.
     
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  20. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    http://redgol.cl/2017/8/los-10-enormes-chamullos-de-la-prensa-arge/
    Un resumen de todas las "mentiras" de la prensa argentina al respecto. Bueno, de solo ver a algunos periodistas, mejor dicho seudo periodistas, de Fox Sports como VIgnolo, Liberman o Fuchs que siempre dijeron que a Bolivia le iban a devolver los puntos.
    EN resumen, la seleccion boliviana hizo trampa y el castigo fue ratificado en tres instancias, dos por la fifa, y una por el tas.
    Caso Cerrado!
     
  21. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    Ecuador tienen un calendario pesado, pero necesitan hacer 7 de 12. Peru y Paraguay 9. Argentina tal vez 6, Uruguay y Chile 4 y Colombia 3, para estar en repechaje.

    Colombia: @Ven, Bra, Par, @Per, mucho se define el jueves y es muy factible que al menos uno Paraguay o Peru esten eliminados para Octubre. Calendario facil

    Uruguay: Arg, @Par, @Ven, Bol. Le ganan a Paraguay y tienen los dos rivales mas flojos en Octubre. Calendario facil

    Chile: Par, @Bol, Ecua, @Bra, Si no hacen 4-6 puntos y Ecuador se recupera, podrian complicarse. Calendario medio.

    Argentina: @Uru, Ven, Per, @Ecu: Deberian ganarle a Venezuela y a Peru y aunque no lo hicieran, podrian ir a salvar la papeleta en Quito. Calendario medio.

    Ecuador: @Bra, Per, @Chi, Arg: Visitan al lider en buen momento y luego 3 equipos que estan en la lucha y aparentemente en mejor racha. Calendario Dificil.

    Peru: Bol, @Ecu, @Arg, Col. Si ganan los dos partidos siguientes, se meten de lleno en la pelea, pero tendrian que ir a robar puntos en Argentina, aunque cierran con Colombia que ya podria estar clasificado. Calendario Dificil

    Paraguay: @Chi, Uru, @Col, Ven. Necesitan sacar una victoria de visitante y ademas ganar sus dos partidos locales, y solo el partido contra Venezuela se plantea facil. Calendario Dificil.
     
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  22. Century's Best

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    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Indeed. It is not the problem of the Chilean and Peruvian federations that their Bolivian counterpart failed to do the proper due diligence. The rules exist and were duly enforced. Generosity is an appeal to emotion and irrelevant.

    A somewhat similar case occurred in this year's Libertadores. CONMEBOL punished Chapecoense with the loss of 3 points earned in its 1-2 victory at Lanus because it deployed Luiz Otávio irregularly. Had Chapecoense been more careful, it would have reached the round of 16. I didn't want to see Chapecoense out like this all the more given what it went through late last year, but the rules are the rules. Lanus was not responsible for Chapecoense's mistake and as per the rules it was awarded 3 points plus a 3-0 scoreline.

    The same holds for World Cup Qualifying. Bolivia has learned a lesson, and Peru and Chile are simply reaping the consequences of the rules being correctly applied. There's no more to it than this.
     
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  23. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Maybe so, but those are FIFA's rules whenever a match gets declared forfeited.
     
  24. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    #1375 Rickdog, Aug 30, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2017
    Caso específico de Chile, de esos puntos, al menos 2 deben ser contra Ecuador y Paraguay, pues no solo necesita esos puntos, sino que además debe evitar que tanto Ecuador, como Paraguay sumen más de 1 punto, en esos partidos.

    Si Perú gana 4 puntos en sus próximos 2 partidos (vs. Bolivia en casa que son casi un hecho, y consigue un empate en Ecuador), con solo ganarle a Colombia, jugando en casa (donde casi siempre así sucede), en la última fecha, los dejaría fuera a uds.

    Y contra tanto Brasil, como Venezuela, ya sea de local o visita, a uds. casi nunca les va bien.

    Yo le pondría a lo mucho, una calificación de media a su calendario.......
     

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