El indecido me molesta, si no me quiero, Transfer Thead 2016

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    #7551 The Jitty Slitter, Sep 7, 2016
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    To be fair he had a decent break out season, got injured and then never developed.

    It happens

    Wenger realised much to late he needed an Alonso type player at the base of midfield and so he signed Arteta - but unfortunately Arteta was never quite good enough and also went off the data cliff pretty quickly

    but its illustrative that the next decent midfield was in 2013 when the gunners won the calendar year racking up 82 points

    Arteta at the base, ramsey being good, ozil enters the side

    rosicky was also decent in some of those games

    Shame about his injuries as Rozzer was probably the only truly classy midfielder Arsenal had during those times
     
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  2. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
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    The rest of the details don't matter. Wenger has been a minimum of six months late on every decision he's made in the last 7 years.
     
  3. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    That's my feeling as well.

    He was once an innovator in the league.

    But these days he just copies stuff after getting spanked by other teams.
     
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  4. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
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    It's not even tactics. He goes years without bothering to address obvious deficiencies in the squad. For ********'s sake Almunia played 100 games and probably cost us points in 1/4 of them.
     
  5. total_football

    total_football Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
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    Jeebus Manny. I almost forgot about Manny. What an absolute trainwreck THAT was.
     
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  6. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

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    Aight. Wasn't trying to start a tactical analysis of the arsenal midfield circa 2008, was just rehashing my opinion on Denilson.

    He was good, but I don't feel the team played better with him. He got hurt and song stepped in. Ramsey and wilshere were coming up and he couldn't find another spot.

    It wasn't the injury, it was that the team was better with the other options. We've seen it plenty of times, most recently with debuchy, Gibbs and now Jack.
     
  7. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
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    Song wasn't a started as a cm till 09 10 and even then as time progressed he moved further up the pitch
     
  8. kanonier

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    Nov 7, 2005
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    Not because anyone wanted him to, mind.
     
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  9. NorthBank

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    Arsenal; NYRB
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    Agreed. But still I will never forget those incisive throughballs he played to Cesc towards the end of his tenure at Arsenal. Yes he was leaving the back exposed more, but man he did have a knack and vision for a few killer offensive passes. At that moment in time anyway. ;)
     
  10. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    except Wenger
     
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  11. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    His few and far "killer passes" (or Hollywood passes more aptly named) went to his head and may have also obscured his major positioning and tactical flaws. Her was simply a liabilty on the field. That we sold him to Barca for, iirc, 15 M is still incomprehensible to me. Arsenal really fleeced Barcelona on this (and a few others to be fair).
     
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  12. NorthBank

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    I can't really disagree with any of that, but you have to admit that there were some spectacular Hollywood passes. There's one or two to Cesc that are stuck in my brain. No idea what game, but they paid off with important goals.

    For the record I liked Song in general, and even though he sort of strayed away from his awesome enforcer role that was most endearing, I still was largely sad when we let him go. A spectacular bit of business that was by Wenger though to get Barca to pay 15M.
     
  13. NorthBank

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    Mar 29, 2006
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    I've given Arseblog's ArseCast a few listens now. It's growing on me. But the main guy's accent takes a bit of getting used to. What is that an American-Irish mashup? And what's his name?? The other guy who joins him, James from GunnerBlog(?)... I like him, thoughtful without a lot of stupid sh1t.

    And what's the verdict on Football Weekly podcast? (he says, wondering if that might replace the daily 5Live podcasts which can be a bit too much of a time commitment)
     
  14. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
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    This is annoying me. Song's greatest passes were to RvP and Eduardo, not Cesc.
     
  15. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    I only liked Song for this song....

    Alex Dmitri Song Billong
    Plays the holding role
    scores the occasional goal
     
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  16. InTheSun

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    Oct 20, 2005
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    James Olley in the Evening Standard tonight: The Deal: Arsene Wenger's 'Moneyball' works, but next Arsenal boss needs super agents like Manchester United talks about agent Jon Smith's new book The Deal.

    The book contains an unprecedented level of detail on the inner workings of the club Smith has supported all his life and he believes the system can sometimes slow transfer business down, contributing to the frustration some supporters feel.

    This might be an interesting book to pick up. I also saw Smith on AFTV interviewed by Robbie:

     
  17. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
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    I read that article and am unimpressed with its content. He basically said a whole bunch of things that Arsenal do to scout and evaluate players, then said Arsene has the final say. He also seems to think that the data-driven scouting is the holdup on player evaluation, which is nonsense, imo. Go look at Ted Knutsen's prospects from 13 and 14 and it's a great list. If our numbers people really take that long to evaluate people then they're a waste.
     
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  18. NorthBank

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    #7568 NorthBank, Sep 8, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2016
    Song-to-RVP you're probably right that was the greatest combo. I think there was one that Robin took first time out of the air, like only he could do.

    But still I have this memory of a few beautiful Route-1 passes to Cesc. Faulty memory or not, they're in my head. :D
     
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  19. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Both Madrid team's one year transfer bans were upheld. Which almost certainly means that since they can't buy replacements, the rumored transfers for CR, Bale and Greizman will not occur until the winter of 2018 at the earliest. in anticipation of not winning their appeal this may also explain why Real Madrid didn't put Morata up for sale after the bought him back from Juve.
     
  20. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
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    Griezmann has a buyout. Are the bans for outgoing transfers as well?
     
  21. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. It's a player registration ban meaning they can't add any new players to their UEFA sanctioned rosters (which covers the country's league).
     
  22. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    But it means they won't sell anyone because they can't replace them.

    Firesale at Real coming up :D
     
  23. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
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    Sure, but a buyout is different, no? Once that is met, if the player agrees terms, the club has to let the player go (anyone who mentions Suarez has to watch Chamakh's hair over the ages).
     
  24. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    No just incoming, but they won't be able to replace any players that leave.

    See I was beaten to it.
     
  25. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    he just signed a new contract, how much is the buy out?
     

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