Efrain Alvarez

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by bsky22, Mar 3, 2019.

  1. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    What are realistic plus/minus columns for these things? After all, if the competing federation didn't care about the player in question, is that really a win?

    USSF outreach to players seems entirely coach-driven. JK was like an unethical college recruiter. He went harder than a mf in continuously contacting potential recruits to the NT. In '06, Arena expressed distain at that idea when it came to trying to flip Rossi. '17, he failed to cap JoGo who had wanted to play for the US.
     
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  2. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Castillo was called up to a cap tying World Cup Qualifier for Mexico and "lost his passport" so he couldn't take part. I believe Corona and Saucedo were getting interest from Mexico when they chose The US as well.

    Sometimes you're going to lose dual nationals. A guy may just prefer to play for another team, and will switch sides the second that team comes calling, There's not really a whole lot you can do about that.

    However, generally speaking we've still an incredible job of getting dual nats to come play for us. How many of these battles do we tend to lose?
     
  3. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There was a ton of a recruiting when Bradley was in charge too. Guys like Castillo, Boyd, Jones, Corona, Diskerud, and Brooks were actually all recruited under Bradley.

    Even Bruce, in his short 10 month tenure managed to get one time switches out of Jesse Gonzalez and Kenny Saief
     
  4. btlove

    btlove Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 29, 2017
    Maybe I can help. On your first point, you say “USMNT has always come out on top” I say who cares? There is always room for improvement. We see Mexico improving their recruiting efforts. We should too. Do you think when Kentucky gets the #1 recruiting class one year they don’t worry about it the next?

    You wonder why people are worrying about these dual nationals saying it is “beyond you” lol... the reason why people care is because despite “wanting to play for our biggest rivals” at one point they wanted to play for us. And now they don’t. Why?

    Just saying you are making a bunch of non points here. People want the USMNT to step up recruiting efforts. That doesn’t mean it’s Rongen’s fault. It doesn’t matter what scouts are showing up for which u14 girls game.

    All I care about is every other interview I hear with a young dual National it’s “yeah the last time I heard from the USMNT was last time I was called up.” I just DO NOT want to see that happening. But every time o bring it up it’s “but we’ve always done good! It’s not USSFs fault! The players heart was somewhere else!”

    It’s all just SO irrelevant.
     
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  5. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think any Kentucky fans were calling John Callipari an incompetent recruiter simply because he lost out on Zion Williamson.

    If you want the US to do everything in it's power to snag a guy like Efrain, than I agree with you, but "It’s not USSFs fault! The players heart was somewhere else!” is a legitimate argument. If Efrain wants to play for Mexico, and Mexico is interested in him, there's only so much you can do.

    I also find the negativity around him odd, because we're probably a few years away from him making a permanent decision about his NT future, and US fans are already writing him off, because we lost one guy. They're ignoring the overall success we've had in this regard.

    What specifically do you mean by improving recruiting?
     
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  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Shrug. I agree with you. All the USSF can do is continue showing these kids that they're valued and continue providing them opportunities. We can always try harder and do more. 100% of USMNT fans will be behind that. Mind you, we're not providing opportunities to them just because they're dual nationals. Its like folks who blame losing Gonzalez on Sarachan because he didn't call him up for that Portugal game with the full USMNT? Hello? He picked McKennie and Adams instead. It was the first cap with both of those players. How many full Mexican caps does Gonzalez have now? Oh that's right..............2. After an initial look they've also turned to other young players instead.

    We just recruited Edwin Lara and Ricardo Pepi back from Mexico. Folks assume we're doing nothing behind the scenes, but these types of recruiting cases occur in our favor all the time. So work is being done behind the scenes. I think the problem is that Tab Ramos as USYNT technical director can only do so much. This time of year he's preparing for the U20 World Cup. There was a recent shake up of the USYNT staff (until recently we had no full time U23 coach, U19 coach, U18 coach, or U17 coach. We had no goalkeeping coach on any youth level: boys or girls). Hires need to happen at all of those levels so that continuous recruiting of kids can happen. We just made a nice hire at the U17 level with Wicky. It'll now be his job to work on recruiting U17s. We can't expect Tab Ramos to scout, recruit, and coach. [Efrain Alvarez is a U17, but I wouldn't put him in that category. He now plays first team professional games, so that should be the USMNT coach and the imminent U23 coach.]
     
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  7. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Us UMass alum have some colorful terms for Calipari.
     
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  8. btlove

    btlove Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 29, 2017
    Well for a start I would like to stop hearing players say “I haven’t heard from the USSF since (insert last call-up). I’d like our federation to be in contact with all players not just dual nats.

    Maybe sometimes we come through with good recruiting (Lara/Pepi) but the fact remains that players still reference the fact that they aren’t contacted often. Maybe USSF just worries about player they consider higher risk of leaving? Not sure.

    But honestly it doesn’t matter. Like another poster said, it’s about creating a culture. Hopefully we have been in contact with Efrain this whole time. Before he left the program and after. I know if I were in charge I would have congratulated him on his first appearance/assist etc. I would be sending him updates on the state of the USSF and coaching infrastructure etc. even now. And if eventually he decided to permanently represent Mexico, I would wish him well and that would be the end of it.

    Maybe we do this kind of stuff for some players. But we don’t do it for all of them and that’s what I’d like to see.
     
  9. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most of the battles we win have been one-sided, i.e., the player had little to no chance of joining the other team.
     
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  10. Susaeta

    Susaeta BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 3, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #110 Susaeta, Mar 11, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2019
    Players want to play for the best National team possible. So the US has lost guys like Rossi and Subotic when those players thought they had better options, and the US picked up players like Jermaine Jones and Edgar Castillo when it was clear the other federations had moved on. If you want to call that “winning” a recruiting battle, fair enough.

    I do think for all his faults, Klinsmann was a good recruiter.
     
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