So he omits any players who made their debut in the last 27 years from his top 12. That's very telling. On the other hand, the video he made on the 11 "most important" Barcelona players includes three Dutchmen.
1990/91 XI Metgod (34 6.82) Blind (34 6.41) Thijssen (25 6.60) Vink (26 6.50) Vonk (29 6.59) Feskens (30 6.40) Wouters (30 6.67) Brands (34 6.44) Valke (27 6.44) Bergkamp (33 6.52) Mrkela (32 6.47) Ajax F de Boer 34 5.88 Winter 31 5.58 Witschge 33 5.64 Roy 28 6.04 Pettersson 17 6.41 PSV Romario 25 5.68 Gerets 23 6.22 Van Breukelen 32 6.31 Heintze 33 6.33 Popescu 30 6.20
I was thinking there must be a typo in the magazine but it is the goalkeeper Metgod and defender Vonk, rather than the goalkeeper Hans Vonk (of South Africa) and defender Metgod
Correct. Edward Metgod (Sparta) and Michel Vonk (SVV) FC Den Haag has a goalkeeper named Stam and someone named Gentile.
What's interesting is that Romario's ratings are in general pretty low, however I assumed that's just down to his playstyle and that this metric isn't favorable to the kind of player he was. Similar can be seen with Gerd Müller and Puskas. The catch is that for the 1994 World Cup Romario is the #1 rated player by his average grade. Maybe the VI writers learn to appreciate him more after he left the league or was his performance just better than what he did week in week out? I think latter is unlikely, his goalscoring stayed the same.
Yes and 'rounded center forwards' as Di Stefano (by his own Marca) and Van Basten had at times not super great ratings too. Romario could be streaky. I assume in those games he scored they found it hard to give him a 9, while in others he got a low rating because of doing 'nothing'. He was pretty lazy. He divided opinions, also because of some incidents at times and there were claims he could make better use of his technical abilities (also for the Brazil team! if he played). Romario fell out with numerous coaches (PSV, Barcelona, Valencia). Romario his partner Kieft had good ratings you show on the previous page, and I know for a fact he had also some assists indeed. Many more assists than Romario. Can be it are different raters during the 1994WC? The regular season journalists on holiday? He was by some seen as a more rounded player while playing for Barcelona IIRC, his assist count - even if not always difficult in nature - is at least noticeably higher than during his PSV days. It helps of course he scored in 5 of the 7 games in 1994WC, that tends to bump up the rating automatically, but it's intriguing he goes ahead of Stoichkov (though the doppelgangers tool labels him as a 'goalscorer' by trade). Baggio wasn't well received during the group stages and final match. edit: we both noticed Romario's 1994 OPTA stats didn't stand out, but the doppelgangers tool shows him well in progressive dribbles and non-shot expected goals. Thus it might be the raters saw enough happening besides the goals, contributing enough besides scoring. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/world-cup-comparisons/romario-1994/ In general I'm not a fan (compared to Ronaldo) mainly for three reasons: - When he was injured (1991-92) they reached a better points total with near identical goal numbers as the season before and after. The season before his arrival they won the treble with 80+ points and 100+ goals. The next time they achieved 80+ points was... 1991-92. - Despite his topscorer awards, he and the team were underwhelming in Europe. Also some incidents here like showing the finger to the coach when he was subbed out etcetera. Ajax reached a number of finals around that time, Feyenoord some semi finals. People expected a lot more of PSV, the richest team in the country at the time (EC '88 won with five ex-Ajax players). Does Romario share in the blame of that by his general unreliability and conduct? I think yes (for 3 of the 5 seasons, in the other 2 perhaps not). - I don't see how he was better (more important) than Bergkamp during those years, who played for a worse team. He scored a similar amount of goals, did in general much more (also without ball: a trait he even showed post-2000 I saw in highlights), overall more successful in Europe and for the national team he also delivered against teams as Italy, Germany, England, Brazil around those years. If we talk about Ronaldo: he scored against numerous elite sides while Romario scored only three times against a team of that ilk (Argentina '89; England and Italy '97 who were both severely under-strength and Italy had only two days preparation time or so) But yeah, if someone needs a striker for a 1990-2000 team then he's a strong option (next to Batistuta, Shearer...), just don't agree with the 'internet opinion' of placing him ahead of Ronaldo and/or MvB and in that sort of category. Ronaldo Luis was done for the top level at the age of 28, while the five days younger Totti continued until he was 40 - that's true.
I'd doubt it, but might look it up. Well, yeah you have a point. Romario joined PSV immediatly after they won the EC. I will take a closer look at his EC games. edit: short summary 88/89 eliminated by Real 89/90 eliminated by Bayern (Romario did not play) 90/91 eliminated by Montpellier 91/92 eliminated by Anderlecht (Romario played just 37 min overall) 92/93 eliminated in the group with Milan, Porto and Göteborg 90/91 looks like the biggest underachievment True
Trying to do this objective, I'd break it down like this. Here I focus on his continental contribution, but also the wider context of his general delivery. 1988-89 (blame: no): Voted player of the year by his (opinionated) peers, for the first and only time (nominated in some later years, as posted in this thread). Topscorer in the league, showed up in the later stages of the domestic cup, scored against Real Madrid and in the Intercontinental Cup (not an important game for PSV, but still). Although for the Copa America he was generally placed one or two classes below his team-mate Bebeto, he delivered against Uruguay and Argentina. He wasn't eligible to play against Porto in the first round - not really his fault. Only downside was just 1 goal against the the best four teams of the league (including cup games), and he didn't do well in the UEFA Supercup. Overall a really good campaign. 1989-90 (blame: a bit): Started to take the penalties (with Koeman gone). Unfortunate that he broke his leg, they missed him against Bayern (2-2 on aggregate) but he wasn't in a super great form. Didn't make a difference in the domestic cup until that point, started the league well against Ajax (september 1989) but after that he didn't show up against the best five teams of the country (one goal against Roda). Ajax won the league as a result, PSV won the cup without him. 0 goals in 4 games for his national team. The game against Steaua Bucharest is often cited as his best performance for PSV. Topscorer of the league. 1990-91 (blame: yes): Really invisible against Montpellier (Laurent Blanc very impressive here). Disciplinary issues caused frictions in the team and organization. In exile for the national team, but he did show up big time against the top of the league (6 goals against Ajax and Feyenoord). PSV won the league, Feyenoord the cup. The Montpellier no show, after causing friction in the squad, and the exile for the national side, really counts against him. For me this is a 'yes.' Joint topscorer of the league with Bergkamp. 1991-92 (blame: yes): Disciplinary issues limited his appearances to two European games. In the two he played he was subbed off both times and he showed the finger to his manager. He struggled with injuries as well and as mentioned PSV won the league with a better points total and equally good number of goals. He was a man of flashes of brilliance rather than sustained influence (but there are more of those). 1992-93 (blame: yes): Outscored in the league by others (with and without penalties). Back playing for the national side (vs France, Germany) but no goals. The Champions League topscorer award is somewhat inflated by having four of his seven goals in the qualification rounds. He didn't deliver in the last four matches and by that point PSV wanted to get rid of him. Head coach Bobby Robson and the manager Ploegsma could tolerate him but their successors did not. Barcelona bought him relatively cheap (for a Brazilian superstar) I believe. Scored against champions Feyenoord but not against others of the top four. Overall I feel he's perhaps in two without blame, but in three he is. Of course he was in the end seen as an excellent player, some like 'Algemeen Dagblad' placed him as the #1 foreigner (not without discussion) and that he stayed for a few years at PSV gives him a good position. Occasionally he comes to visit the country, can speak the language a little bit. He does at times a good word for 'our' type of football like when in 1992 he said MvB is the best in the world, and here on Brazilian TV when he placed two orange players in his 'rest of the world XI'. He has matured somewhat, is a politician now, and has gained a broader perspective when he talks here. The way 'the internet' tends to give him the 2nd most yearly inclusions of all Eredivisie players (behind Cruijff, ahead of the other greats) is though completely besides reality, even with the advantage of hindsight. He just didn't have the same sustained impact of a Litmanen, Nilis, Kindvall or Ronaldo (among others). Litmanen despite his injuries did a lot more on the european scene over a number of years, a key part of an 'invincible' team (unbeaten in the league and europe). Romario his 1988-89 season is really strong (objectively speaking), also good are 1990-91 and 1992-93.
Puck, I know that what I'm going to ask you is beyond the time interval of this thread, but I would like to know if you have the average Voetbal International ratings of the 1972-73 season. I would like to check, for example, if there were some Ajax footballers clearly more valued than others and if Swart and Keizer's performance did not clash with others. I'm also curious to know if Jeuring's performance in the UEFA Cup was similar to what he had in the Eredivisie.
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"Coen Moulijn, Johan Cruijff or Arjen Robben? Or anyone else? Maybe Marco van Basten? Who is the best football player in the Netherlands at this moment? Our northern neighbors have produced so many brilliant, versatile, balanced, clever and influential characters in football that it is a fun exercise to choose the best." The editors had this as their top three: 1. Cruijff 2. Van Basten 3. Bergkamp The readers came to this: 1. Cruijff 2. Van Basten 3. Rensenbrink 4. Robben 5. Bergkamp 6. Gullit 7. Seedorf 8. Moulijn 9. Van Hanegem 10. Rijkaard ----------------- What I found interesting is that this 'wisdom of the crowds' is not too different from my personal conclusions. The difference here is that I would move Seedorf outside this list (he's for me one of the dozen options for tenth), and Wilkes replaces Moulijn in this three-to-nine bracket that can be placed in any order (the one Rotterdammer replaces the other). Moulijn his high position is probably aided by a few starring performances by him against Belgian teams, most notably the 9-1 victory in 1959 as one of his marquee games (there are others too, like England in 1964 for example). This remains Belgium their second highest defeat, behind a 11-2 defeat in 1909 against the England amateurs. Of course it is not the only 'plus' for him, but it helps. The match often returns in previews for derby matches.
Online link as confirmation: https://sportmagazine.knack.be/spor...oos-johan-cruijff/article-normal-1471857.html
I accidentally saw a very interesting and intruiging interview with Tony Adams (b. 1966) this week about Feyenoord and related stuff. I'll translate later some of the interesting bits. Perfect XI of 2006: https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/tony-adams-perfect-xi Perfect XI of 2013 @PDG1978
Here some of the most intruiging bits, including stuff where we're lagging behind (in his eyes). Maybe he's mostly talking about ~15 years ago, while nowadays a number of the best Dutch youth coaches are (sadly!) working in England itself at high positions - where the finances and possibilities are endless. Thus it can happen that an English football legend, whose heart is tied to Arsenal, reserves an extra place for a Dutch club. Tony Adams loves Feyenoord. "For me there is nothing above a matchday in De Kuip." [...] They picked him as the best Arsenal defender of all-time. Only Thierry Henry and Dennis Bergkamp ranked higher in the popularity poll. [...] The first meeting with the trainer job at Wycombe Wanderers was not a success. Adams couldn't prevent relegation to the League Two. "It was at hindsight the wrong decision", concludes Adams now. "I didn't get to coaching, because I was too busy with managing. The club lost 7000 pounds a week. I discovered it is hard to let mature players learn additional stuff. To let them learn technical details." [...] Adams signed an internship contract and got the freedom to move around the youth academy by his own insight. The knife had two sides. Adams gained insight into an approach that has been copied more often than Louis Vuitton bags, with the knowledge copies have only rarely surpassed the original. Vice versa, Feyenoord hoped to draw upon the rich experience of the personification of a winner. "Liverpool had just won the Champions League in the bizarre final against Milan (where Liverpool turned around a 3-0 deficit, ed.). Henk van Stee was head of the department. 'Only English teams can make a comeback of this magnitude', I said to him. He asked me if I wanted to transfer this battling attitude to the Feyenoord youth. In this way we both benefited." Varkenoord felt as a warm bath. "Wim Jansen is like God. He has given me everything. He showed me everything. I couldn't believe how open and receptive all Dutch trainers were. I could start at the 'Beloften' and do what I wanted. One fantastic chance to learn coaching. Gain knowledge. I still remember well driving through the tunnel in the morning on the way to the club. The atmosphere was fantastic. [...] Also with the player material he had by his own saying little to complain. "Besides the young team I worked with under 12 and under 14. With players as Stefan de Vrij and Bruno Martins Indi. Those were fourteen years old. Top talents. Of those there were a few. Royston Drenthe, Evander Sno, Lorenzo Davids and Jonathan de Guzman for example. We had a good group." Soon Adams discovered there were significant differences with the English style. "The tactics are set in stone: 4-3-3. The only variation is whether you play with the tip ahead or the tip behind. But what was very eye opening for a kick-and-rush Brit as me: you move a defender through towards midfield." "In England you do it for the fans. Example: you are down with a few minutes to go, add a striker. Purely to show the fans you are doing all you can. That's what you don't do quickly. And do you know where you see the differences in perception the most? The terminology at the sidelines. My oldest son plays for Cheltenham Town. After the match you always hear the parents giving remarks as 'well battled' and 'fought for every meter'. In the Netherlands parents always talk about control over the match and points of improvement. That was fresh. I also have the impression that parents are much less compelling and pushy when it comes to the development of the child. In England there are many more problems with misbehaving parents. The Dutch coaches are according to him also less directed by emotion. "They are more calculative than in England. Stay calm. Nowadays people like to see coaches shouting and sprinting across the sidelines like a madman. They think that is necessary. But in the Netherlands I learned you cannot really think if you are worked up. Control emotions, stay cool, and make the best decision for your team. That style I have adopted and carried along later trainer jobs. Sometimes it gets wrongly interpreted. Arsene Wenger was accused of having an uninterested attitude. But believe, inside it bubbles. By staying calm you can prevent impulsive decisions. That is generally something Dutch trainers have mastered for a long time quite well." "What you also do well: couple the seasoned trainers to ex-players in the youth. It became my opinion that the best coaches actually should be working in the youth department. I also say often to Arsene that he has to go to Africa to teach the youth there. At Feyenoord it was custom to put quality trainers on the youngest age groups. One experienced trainer coupled with an ex-player. This way you educate not just players but also your own trainers. Very clever." [...] "Dennis is a very friendly man, with a wonderful family around him. He often likes to be private. I do wonder why he has a statue in London. No, just kidding. From a technical point of view he is the best footballer Arsenal ever had. Every fan affirms this. Without Dennis I would have won nothing. He by the way without me neither, I like to tell myself. Marc is a good friend. One totally different person than Dennis is. Some bit of an einzelgänger. A very talented footballer on top. I often visited his Go Ahead Eagles. Also now at Ajax. His son resembles him like two drops of water." [...] In the warmth of Varkenoord the already existing charm for Feyenoord developed into affection. Not the least because of the relative shelter he could work in. Who is accustomed to paparazzi and reporters in the trees, feels the approach of the Dutch press as an oasis. "I saw once Louis van Gaal completely barracking a player's wife. He absolutely destroyed her. Van Gaal had just won a prize and looked as if he had drunk too much, maybe. Reporters were standing nearby, but to my surprise the accident wasn't newsworthy." [...] "Van Gaal is a very sweet man, really, but can only talk about himself." Then the Rotterdam mentality fits better to Adams. "The people are very modest and humble. Very direct and straight to the point. Working class. I come from East London; it wasn't too difficult to identify myself with them. The club is in my heart. Feyenoord is phenomenal. I love the stadium a lot. I know there has been for many years discussion about a new habitat, but for me there is nothing better than a matchday at de Kuip. With all those people in the stands. The club fits me best. I was once chased by a group of Ajacieden. That makes me a proper Feyenoorder, right?" [...] According to Adams the English football world is made awake about alcohol addiction and depression. "Many things have changed down the years in this aspect. The English FA tackles the problem. It is not hidden and placed under the carpet any longer. To be honest I think the KNVB can learn a lot from us. Soon I will visit Zeist to talk about our work." [...] "It is very brave by him to say stuff like that about mental defects, but also risky", thinks Adams. "People often don't get it." [...] It is not unthinkable Adams will once return to Feyenoord. Back to working with the youth, to coaching instead of managing, to the Rotterdam shelter. Or, like someone with a poetic slant would say: to a club he doesn't have to carry alone. [...] Mr. Arsenal Fans call Adams 'mister Arsenal', a status he derives from 609 matches in the first team, ten major trophies, and above all a to devotion bordering loyalty to the club he served for twenty years. He is still the only player to become English champion in three different decades as a team captain.
Very interesting comments Puck; well done on translating and posting. Gives a good impression about how he experienced Dutch football, and a little note about Bergkamp and Overmars too. I noticed those chosen XIs by him did change more than most would (between 2006 and 2013) but it could be as much variation as complete change of mind, and I suppose once he decides that since 2006 the Barcelona midfielders convinced him then various things can change and some other different names are introduced. Always good to get the comments, so FourFourTwo etc do a good job with those selections in that respect. It was 5 the same in the two starting line-ups he picked wasn't it - Seaman, Baresi, Maldini, Vieira and Van Basten who obviously made a big impression on him in Euro 88 (not that he'd be picked just for that reason) - I seem to think I've seen or heard some comments at some point from Adams saying he'd have liked to try again to defend better against him in Italia 90 World Cup (I think - I'm not sure exactly what it was now)! Interesting that Arsenal of the George Graham era (successful but seen as a bit negative) were studying the defending of Maldini and Baresi etc at Milan under Sacchi (seen more as revolutionary and novel, but of course they and Arsenal didn't play exactly the same overall by any means).
Not Seaman sorry - Anderson which I shouldn't have forgotten as he was a Forest player! I thought I'd counted 5 when I looked last night anyway, but just remembered Anderson was definitely in twice after my above post. The comments about Bergkamp from 2006, added to the ones from the Dutch magazine give a nice overview of how he saw him as player/person anyway (like most people see him it seems). I'll copy and paste the 2006 ones just in case the link disappears at any point: "I don’t just want a player who will score 150 goals, but someone who will make 150 goals, and that’s what you get with Dennis – he’s on the team sheet straight away. An enormously talented footballer: intelligent, always drifting between the lines and with fantastic distribution. He really opens up doors."
There are also some big problems/weaknesses over here (injury prevention for example; and that many of the best trainers work abroad) but in general good to keep perspective about things and incidents. There are also taboos, or near taboos, as he indicates. One peculiar thing is that there have been a few gay referees (some losing UEFA appointments because of that) but almost no footballers.
I liked the comments and comparison he made with Uruguay. Saw today this peculiar 'ideal XI' by the Uruguayan channel GolTV (october 2016) Vd Sar; Suurbier, Koeman, F. de Boer, Krol; Gullit, Rijkaard, Cruijff, Seedorf; Kluivert, Van Basten
@PDG1978 I found something very interesting. When 'Elf Voetbal' had their 400th issue in March 2015, they listed the top 400 Eredivisie players since 1981. Including text it are 50 pages. The monthly magazine Elf Voetbal is basically together with the weekly VI and 'de Voetbaltrainer' (a more technical publication) one of the three long running publications. "With some modest pride we present the top 400 of the best Eredivisie players in the existence of Elf Voetbal, the oldest and longest running monthly magazine. Please note: the accomplishments from before 1981 are not counted. We dived in our archive too. The list is of course subjective and contestable, but about the winner there can't be too many doubts." Notable is the exclusion of Ziyech at that point (his 2nd full season was underway). For completeness I'll post the entire top 400. Maybe or possibly some have heard of certain sporadic names as Lamptey, Vampeta, Kiki Musampa, Henk ten Cate, Theo Snelders or some of the names that featured in the major tournaments like Engelaar or Keisuke Honda for Japan. I use their spelling so Zhelyazkov becomes Jeliazkov. 400. Jan Jongbloed 399. Louis van Gaal 398. Johan Steur 397. Ferdi Vierklau 396. Michael Bradley 395. Royston Drenthe 394. Ali El Khattabi 393. Peter Wisgerhof 392. Marcel Peeper 391. Vampeta 390. Prince Polley 389. Jan van Halst 388. Alfons Groenendijk 387. Nii Lamptey 386. Henk ten Cate 385. Everton 384. Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink 383. Bjorn Vleminckx 382. Jatto Ceesay 381. Aad Mansveld 380. Jos Jonker 379. Frank Berghuis 378. Koos Waslander 377. Petter Hansson 376. Wim Balm 375. Hans Vonk 374. Cor Lems 373. Erik Nevland 372. Chris Dekker 371. Michel Boerebach 370. Daryl Janmaat 369. Ron Jans 368. Peter Boeve 367. Pierre Vermeulen 366. Henk Duut 365. Martijn Reuser 364. Harry van der Laan 363. Bruno Martins Indi 362. Ton Pattinama 361. Andy van der Meijde 360. Rick Hoogendorp 359. Stefan de Vrij 358. David Mendes da Silva 357. Roberto Rosales 356. Theo Lucius 355. Andre Hoekstra 354. Frans Janssen 353. Henk Timmer 352. Fernando Ricksen 351. Jurrie Koolhof 350. Henk Grim 349. Jan Mölby 348. Orlando Engelaar 347. Kamohelo Mokotjo 346. Zeljko Petrovic 345. Dick Nanninga 344. Jan van Grinsven 343. Andrej Jeliazkov 342. Brett Holman 341. Ruud Heus 340. Marcus Berg 339. Davy Klaassen 338. Oscar Moens 337. Graeme Rutjes 336. Jan van Deinsen 335. Kiki Musampa 334. Romeo Castelen 333. Christian Gyan 332. Nordin Wooter 331. Danny Hesp 330. Hans Galjé 329. Lex Immers 328. Jack de Gier 327. Mike Obiku 326. Dani 325. Theo Snelders 324. Mido 323. Paul Nortan 322. Peter Hoekstra 321. Stanley Brard 320. John Lammers 319. Klaas Drost 318. Maurice Graef 317. Jens Toornstra 316. Gérard de Nooijer 315. Dennis de Nooijer 314. Marco van Ginkel 313. Yassine Abdellaoui 312. Bart Latuheru 311. Stijn Vreven 310. Nico-Jan Hoogma 309. Frans Adelaar 308. Marco van Hoogdalem 307. Alfred Schreuder 306. Erik Willaarts 305. Earnest Stewart 304. Miroslav Stoch 303. Martin Laamers 302. Edwin Olde Riekerink 301. Keisuke Honda 300. Tim de Cler
299. Didier Martel 298. Arnold Bruggink 297. Dean Gorré 296. Wout Holverda 295. John van Loen 294. Wout Brama 293. Gene Hanssen 292. Edison Mendez 291. Danny Hoekman 290. Rodion Camataru 289. Piet Huyg 288. Fandi Ahmad 287. Harry Decheiver 286. Kevin Hofland 285. Piet Keur 284. Patrick Lodewijks 283. David Loggie 282. Anthony Lurling 281. Thomas Buffel 280. Hendrie Krüzen 279. Kew Jaliens 278. Ryan Babel 277. Martin Jol 276. Gert Kruys 275. Ali Ibrahim 274. Cheick Tioté 273. Jetro Willems 272. Maarten Stekelenburg 271. Henk Fraser 270. Willy Carbo 269. Adil Ramzi 268. Stijn Schaars 267. Sander Westerveld 266. Luuk de Jong 265. Marcel Brands 264. Nacer Chadli 263. Marciano Vink 262. Arouna Koné 261. Leroy Fer 260. Mariano Bombarda 259. Héctor Moreno 258. Jesper Gronkjaer 257. Lex Schoenmaker 256. Gerald Sibon 255. Pieter Huistra 254. Jozy Altidore 253. Urby Emanuelson 252. Ricardo van Rhijn 251. Jan Kromkamp 250. Keje Molenaar 249. Rob McDonald 248. Dwight Tiendali 247. Mahamadou Diarra 246. Michael Mols 245. Wim Koevermans 244. Marc van Hintum 243. Fred Rutten 242. Max Huiberts 241. Jeremain Lens 240. Bud Brocken 239. Danko Lazovic 238. Edson Braafheid 237. Juul Ellerman 236. Ernest Faber 235. Mateusz Klich 234. Michel van de Korput 233. Edgar Barreto 232. Dennis Rommedahl 231. Erik Regtop 230. Ton Lokhoff 229. Georgios Samaras 228. Carlos Salcido 227. Young-Pyo Lee 226. Jan Monster 225. Rob de Wit 224. Danijel Pranjic 223. Gerrie Kleton 222. Balazs Dzudzsak 221. Marcus Allback 220. Rasmus Elm 219. Orlando Trustfull 218. Erik Meijer 217. Sander Boschker 216. Vurnon Anita 215. Jeffrey Talan 214. Leo van Veen 213. Martin van Geel 212. Thomas Vermaelen 211. Barry Opdam 210. Lasse Schöne 209. Wim Jansen 208. Sergio Romero 207. Sami Hyypia 206. Edo Ophof 205. Peter Bosz 204. Anton Janssen 203. Igor Korneev 202. Adam Maher 201. Jonathan de Guzman 200. Ron Vlaar
Yeah, you're right Puck that is an interesting list! As you allude to, especially between 200 and 400 there will be many names I'm not familiar with properly or at all (but for example 200 and 201 both played in the Premier League, and 399 and 400 I know in both cases too although for different reasons - I think maybe Van Gaal was a striker but maybe I remember wrong lol but obviously I know who he is as a person/coach). Interesting that they say everything from before 1981 is not considered, but the number 1 player is clear: I'm wondering if it is still Johan Cruyff or not (other major candidates don't necessarily have much of a longevity edge even given their years abroad, but obviously they were younger players)!
The Jan Peters here below is the one of NEC, AZ, Atalanta and Genoa (31 caps, 4 goals). Not the one of Feyenoord (one cap). 199. Wilbert Suvrijn 198. Karim el Ahmadi 197. Jos Roossien 196. Sjaak Troost 195. Maarten Martens 194. Simon Tahamata 193. Ioan Sabau 192. Stan Valckx 191. Leonardo 190. Tijani Babangida 189. Mario Been 188. Tomas Galasek 187. Cees van Kooten 186. René Eijkelkamp 185. Filip Djuricic 184. Hennie Meijer 183. Bert Konterman 182. Glenn Helder 181. Frans Thijssen 180. Manuel Sanchez Torres 179. Jan Peters 178. Kevin Strootman 177. Adrie Koster 176. Heurelho Gomes 175. Johan de Kock 174. Demy de Zeeuw 173. Regi Blinker 172. Joris Mathijssen 171. Toby Alderweireld 170. Joop Hiele 169. Hatem Trabelsi 168. John Heitinga 167. Jordy Clasie 166. Bert van Marwijk 165. Piet Keur 164. Kees Pier Tol 163. Michel Kreek 162. Dries Mertens 161. Tscheu-La Ling 160. John Guidetti 159. Niklas Moisander 158. Dick Schoenaker 157. Michael Laudrup 156. Shota Arveladze 155. Ruud Hesp 154. Bas Dost 153. Arnold Scholten 152. Salomon Kalou 151. Graziano Pellè 150. Jasper Cillessen 149. Wlodi Smolarek 148. Alfred Finnbogason 147. Denny Landzaat 146. Georginio Wijnaldum 145. Piet Schrijvers 144. Mounir El Hamdaoui 143. Eddy Treijtel 142. Barry van Galen 141. Bwalya Kalusha 140. Eric van der Leur 139. René van de Kerkhof 138. Gregory van der Wiel 137. Memphis Depay 136. Kenneth Perez 135. Petur Petersson 134. Ronald Waterreus 133. Christian Eriksen 132. Julio Ricardo Cruz 131. Nigel de Jong 130. Michel Valke 129. Douglas 128. Peter Houtman 127. Siem de Jong 126. Adri van Tiggelen 125. Eljero Elia 124. Youri Mulder 123. Gheorghe Popescu 122. Wilfried Bony 121. Theo Janssen 120. Dirk Kuijt 119. Steven Pienaar 118. Erwin Koeman 117. Frank Arnesen 116. Brett Emerton 115. Roy Makaay 114. René van der Gijp 113. Hallvar Thoresen 112. Dejan Curovic 111. Theo Bos 110. Ibrahim Afellay 109. Jerzy Dudek 108. Miralem Sulejmani 107. Gaston Taument 106. Wesley Sneijder 105. Christian Chivu 104. Wilfred Bouma 103. Robin van Persie 102. Ronald Spelbos 101. Jefferson Farfán
100. Ulrich van Gobbel 99. Ji-Sung Park 98. Huub Stevens 97. Ed de Goey 96. Peter van Vossen 95. Jesper Olsen 94. Martin Haar 93. Ernie Brandts 92. Timmy Simons 91. Daley Blind 90. Nikos Machlas 89. Johann Vogel 88. Ben Wijnstekers 87. Milko Djurovski 86. John Metgod 85. John van den Brom 84. Dusan Tadic 83. John de Wolf 82. Arthur Numan 81. Klaas-Jan Huntelaar 80. Boudewijn Zenden 79. Hans Gillhaus 78. Henrik Larsson 77. Edward Sturing 76. Bryan Ruiz 75. Giovanni van Bronckhorst 74. Rafael van der Vaart 73. Kees Kist 72. Mousa Dembélé 71. Winston Bogarde 70. Maxwell 69. Jozsef Kiprich 68. Jan Vertonghen 67. John Bosman 66. Edward Linskens 65. Richard Witschge 64. Kees van Wonderen 63. Blaise Nkufo 62. Willem van Hanegem 61. Arjen Robben 60. Hugo Hovenkamp 59. Luis Suarez 58. Alex 57. Jean-Paul van Gastel 56. Afonso Alves 55. Mark van Bommel 54. Bonaventure Kalou 53. Kristen Nygaard 52. Shinji Ono 51. Zlatan Ibrahimovic 50. Ruud Geels 49. Jaap Stam 48. Nwankwo Kanu 47. Phillip Cocu 46. Stefan Pettersson 45. Mateja Kezman 44. Patrick Paauwe 43. Ruud van Nistelrooij 42. Jan Wouters 41. Arnold Mühren 40. John Dahl Tomasson 39. Rob Witschge 38. André Ooijer 37. Bryan Roy 36. Paul Bosvelt 35. Sonny Silooy 34. Wim Jonk 33. Willy van de Kerkhof 32. Johan Cruijff 31. Stanley Menzo 30. Aron Winter 29. Pierre van Hooijdonk 28. John van 't Schip 27. Finidi George 26. Clarence Seedorf 25. Soren Lerby 24. Berry van Aerle 23. Marc Overmars 22. Luc Nilis 21. Ivan Nielsen 20. Patrick Kluivert 19. Jan Heintze 18. Michael Reiziger 17. Ronaldo 16. Ruud Gullit 15. Romario 14. Edgar Davids 13. Wim Kieft 12. Ronald de Boer 11. Eric Gerets 10. Dennis Bergkamp 9. Jari Litmanen 8. Edwin van der Sar 7. Ronald Koeman 6. Hans van Breukelen 5. Frank Rijkaard 4. Gerald Vanenburg 3. Marco van Basten 2. Frank de Boer 1. Danny Blind
Yeah some of the things had scratching my head a bit and would take another #1 perhaps. He's also one of those who has differing assessments (like e.g. Gullit). "Twice footballer of the year and twice runners-up." One of the things going for the #1 is that he's also the one with the most league appearances in this time period (1981 to 2015). Fun fact: as only player of a full-time amateur club he played in the youth selection together with Gullit, Rijkaard, Kieft... Five european finals in thirteen seasons for Ajax is a nice average.