Dual nationals who could suit up for the US.

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by juvechelsea, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think it's more that outside of Jones (done now), Brooks, Chandler, Johnson, who are better players, the vast majority of German-Americans are average/decent at best to low level players. Then you got Toljan who just made the wrong career move and wasted 1 and a half seasons+ another half in Scotland, pretty much 2 seasons.

    still waiting on a top talent German-American though.
     
  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    concerning Sidney Friede, he's a 98 CM just like Weston Mckennie but Weston is the better player. So for him to suit up for the USA seems pretty pointless. One should go for players that are better than what one has or in positions of need.
     
  3. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think currently, yes. In the past, it wasn't. We had Johnson, Jones, Chandler, Williams and Brooks.
     
  4. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    You call in 30 guys for camp to pick 23. And you should really have more like 50 in mind to try and consider over time. Whether one guy is better than the other shouldn't rule one or the other out of camp or the 23 or even a dress roster. All you have to do is be better than the last guy handed a shirt on game day. You might have to beat McKennie to start but all you have to do is beat Roldan or Mihailovic or Trapp or someone like that to be useful.

    Also, people get hurt or go on sabbaticals so I am all about give caps widely, see if they are up to it, and if they look decent but not what we need now, you tuck it away in the memory bank in case the starter gets hurt or decides he wants to tour Asia or sell his book. Keeper is one place in particular I feel like we aren't adequately prepared with drilled and well selected Plans B and C but even Pulisic can't stay healthy lately so I am big on cap any dual national or potential contributor worth our time and then sort out their usefulness as things go along.

    Added thought, until we start winning regularly I am not assuming any set of players is a reliable endgame for the long term. There are maybe 4 or 5 players total who have earned their way into the 23 in pen by routine excellence. The rest, you know, if a "Sargent" U20 stud comes in who plays their position, they'll be picking splinters soon enough.
     
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  5. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    There was an article about this.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/manuel...debate-youth-development-reform/#1b404c538e42

    "The German national team sporting director, in particular, has identified that young German players struggle with one-v-one situations and no longer have what Germans call Bolzplatzmentalität -- a football identity developed away from organised football.

    Football in Germany has been over conceptualised. Young German players nowadays are perfectly capable of understanding multiple tactical systems but cannot solve difficult situations on the playing field. In that regard young players from England, that like Sancho have learned to play in the backstreets of London, are a step ahead of their German counterparts."

    I'm seeing this in various countries. Netherlands for sure. But also Mexico is feeling it. The team they sent was smart and tactical but it lacked grit, initiative and playground mentality.
     
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  6. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As the world becomes less poor the soccer players decline. A worthwhile trade. Anyway I'm sure that academies will sort it out. I've seen academies in Dallas years ago have sand volley ball pits and days when kids could come and just play unorganized against kids of different ages just for fun. probably something like that should be part of any teams training especially for younger players so they can just try s&%$.
     
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  7. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Completely disagree with the comparison to England......................

    Sancho is an outlier. Plus he played organized, high level youth soccer from the time he was 7 (when he was at Watford). For Pete's sake, he was playing at the Harefield Academy Boarding School from the age of 11. This notion that he was playing on the "mean streets" of London, which engendered a certain "street" style of problem solving, is hyperbolic nonsense.

    Solving difficult situations on the playing field (as this quote indicates)........................is difficult. Teams go thru cycles when they have more players capable of doing it than at other times. In 2014 we were told that Germany won the World Cup because of the same "intelligent design" that we're now told is hindering them. No, actually, its just a slight dip in "in their prime" talent.

    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...y-argentina-world-cup-final-2014-barney-ronay
     
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  8. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I differ a little bit from this article. I do think there is a problem with the academies. The problem is an issue of selection. They are selecting the model students, the ones that pass the tactical test and they aren't selecting the guys who are a bit more maverick.
     
  9. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would instruction hinder a kid's ability to pull off technical tricks? And what prevents a structured environment (e.g a club academy) from simply asking kids to play freely for certain amounts of time?

    Like, there's this romantic notion of kids playing ad-hoc pickup games... But what prevents coaches from just scrimmaging with their squads, particularly in small 5-a-side games where players are constantly touching the ball and doing 1-on-1's? Soccer skills are just like any other skill. The more you practice, the better you'll get at it.
     
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  10. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Academies only have a kid in training for not very many hours, time needed for formal training. A kid working on his own or informally with others is something that normally takes place away from training.

    This receding in importance of 'the street' as an incubator of youth in areas of life, including soccer, has been frequently commented on over the years.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/09/jadon-sancho-england-borussia-dortmund
     
  11. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Individual repetition of skills is important in everything from playing tuba to playing trequartista.

    The environment where that repetition takes place is not nearly as impactful as the repetition itself. It matters that they're taking the time to do it.
     
  12. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    It's generally not taking place at the academy, which is the point.
     
  13. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    By the way, in case no one has mentioned him earlier, let's add LAG's 16 year-old Mexican-American Efrain Alvarez, currently in Mexico's youth system but I believe still eligible for the United States.
     
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  14. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I suppose. That depends on where the player is, of course. If they live on campus, they're probably still doing it at the academy.
     
  15. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
  16. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
  17. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
  18. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe he has to have had citizenship before being YNT cap-tied by Uruguay, in order to file a one-time-switch...
     
  19. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yes. Diego Rossi played in cap-tying events for Uruguay at the youth level. He will never be eligible for the USMNT.

    Same I believe is true of Atuesta of Colombia. Will never be eligible for the USMNT.

    Both played at the 2017 U20 South American Championships, for instance.
     
  20. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    Rats. I was looking down the MLS 22 under 22 list for interesting players. Saw they had green cards and got interested. I follow what you're saying rules-wise.
     
  21. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Atuesta was the captain of the team.
     

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