Die Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft News & Discussion Thread - Road to Russia 2018 Thread (R)

I do agree, that none of the current midfielders have that toughness/aggressive style. Closest in that regard might have been Can.

 

With a 3 man defense, or with a third midfielder?

 

Bastian has on the downside of his career at that point. It did not help that neither he or Khedira were fully fit. How Bastian battled in the final made a big difference. Germany would have been even stronger in 2014 if both were fully fit.

 

I agree that both of them haven't done anything for the national team yet. That is why a decision is needed to decide which one of them can potentially benefit the national team more in the upcoming world cup. You can say Sane has a better stats this season, but it is because he is in a very dominant team in premier league. The way he plays relies on the interchange play with other very good players in man city and his advantage is his pace, which is very useful in open play in weekly matches during a whole season. But in tournament matches, space is really tight, you rarely are able to beat defender by dribbling pass (his dribbling skill is not that good either, unlike Rahim sterling) or speeding pace. Brandt is different type of player, his recent performance during match against brazil and many matches during this season show that he can put a dangerous pass to his team mate in tight space, which is exactly the way how Germany national team plays, plus I think Brandt has slightly better finishing than Sane (it is only my instinct impression after seeing them played many matches, I might be wrong), also Brandt can operate in left, right, middle, even can be put up front as a striker. That is why I prefer Brandt over Sane. We will see how Loew decide in the end, likely they both will make it.

 

then on top of that Khedira's replacement Kramer also got injured. There were tons of injuries before the WC14 and during it.

now once again, this WC we have a handful of players missing based on injuries. And guys like Boa and Neuer not fit yet, Boa seems less of an issue than Neuer.

we can never have a tournament without injuries, sheesh. Well at least Reus finally gets a chance to be part of his 2nd tournament.

 

One of the ways Sane plays is interchanging play with other midfield player and he provide the cross into the penalty area, but in Germany national team, this role is provided by the two full backs, unless Loew is willing to change the system for Sane, it is unlikely Sane will be useful with that kind of play

 

lol

Lionel Messi has stated that he wishes his Argentina side “were more like Germany” ahead of the 2018 FIFA World Cup.

The five-time Ballon d’Or winner was speaking to Argentine sports channel TyC Sports, where he confirmed his admiration for the nation that beat him in the 2014 World Cup final in Rio de Janeiro as he looks for revenge in Russia.

“I wish we were more like Germany and worked like them,” Messi said. “They keep working on a long-term plan and rejuvenate the team at the right time.

“They’re already preparing for the next World Cup,” the Barcelona forward continued, likely referencing the extension of coach Joachim Löw’s contract to the 2022 edition in Qatar.

The 123-time Argentina international was also full of praise for the strength in depth of the world champions, lauding their “surplus of players” and ability to “easily put out two teams in the World Cup, like they did in the Confederations Cup they won.”

For Messi, this comes, above all, down to the differing mentalities between the two 2014 World Cup finalists. “They have a different way of preparing, letting people work, and judging them on what they do.”
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/...products&utm_term=english&utm_content=article

Kind of ironic
Messi participates in 3 WCs and all 3 times Germany knocks out Argentina.

 

One thing I have noticed a lot from Kimmich this season is how he often tucks into midfield for Bayern to offer an additional midfielder to overload and dominate the center. It reminds me of how Lahm played under Pep as a full back.

 

Wagner resigns from NT

 

Sandro Wagner has retired from international football after being left out of Germany's World Cup squad. He told Bild: "I'm leaving the national team immediately. It's clear to me that I do not seem to fit in with the coaching team with my way of being open, honest and direct."

— Ronan Murphy (@swearimnotpaul) May 16, 2018

good riddance seems like an overgrown child. Declaring himself the best German striker, his pubic row with Gomez.

Now there is no more need to consider him post WC. With Gomez also done after the WC. It should make it easier for the mid-20s guys to finally get their chance. With a consideration for Stindl/Petersen in terms of older guys.

 

I dont know if Rudy will be there ..... or deserves to be there

Yea we are quite thin at the CM position, but lets hope Loew can help Goretzka and make him an allround midfielder (now he is more on the offensive side)

We are thin at CM doesnt mean we need to nominate someone like Seb Rudy

maybe Ginter can provide some toughness as a backup DM.

We will most likely nominate 5 CBs, and Sule/ Rudiger are ahead of Ginter at the CB position. If Ginter wanna seek playing time, he can showcase himself during training. Apparently Sule played a bit of DM for Bayern too


--------------------------------ter Stegen
-----Kimmich--------Boateng-------Hummels-------Hector
----------------------------------Ginter--
------------------------Khedira-------Kroos
-----------Muller-------------Werner----------------Sane


Backup:

------------------------------Neuer
-----xxx----------Rudiger----------Sule------------Plattenhardt
---------------------Goretzka--------Gundogan
-------Reus-------------------Oezil-----------------Draxler
--------------------------------M.Gomez

21 players, + a GK and Petersen ?

 

You dont have to respond to Frenchies posts. It is widely known he dumps his posts at several forums without intention of further debate. You could see that when his twitter account was still up.

 

Why not play a back trio of Boateng, Hummels and Süle
Kimmich and Hector on the flanks
Kroos and Khedira/Gundogan
Müller, Werner, Özil

 

We almost certainly will see something like this at some point during the tournament. Replace Ozil with Reus or Sane and you have one hell of a counter/transition side. Would be interesting against Spain/France to see this line-up.

 

Low did say that he used 3 CBs or 5 man defense at the CC as an experiment. I think we need to be flexible, play different systems based on the opponents. No need to play with 3 CBs vs every opponent.

 

I think the 3 CB formation is for the big opponents. I think we will see the 4 man back line through the group phase though.

One thing that I really like about Loew is how he constantly tries to evolve the team and tactics.