Democrats In The Wilderness

Too much regulation.

Tokyo has 35 million people.

Hong Kong and Singapore pack a lot of people in little space.

There is a way, there may be little will.

 

And we can start importing food because all our people live in cities.

 

Today what 2% of the population is categorized as farmers, there is always going to be people living outside cities, the farms will be bigger (many already are huge).

Removing small towns from the countryside (even suburbia if we build up) could allow more land to be farmed.



Obviously this should be voluntary with economic incentives and removing barriers to do so, like density laws, NIMBY laws, ect. It should not be some big government mandate.

 

Excuse me, conventional wisdom is that third part votes tend to help the Democrat get elected. I might have actually voted for Sanders over Trump despite the fact Sanders is the exact opposite of everything I believe in. Unfortunately you guys served up Hillary Clinton, and that was never going to happen.

 

I travel quite a bit through rural Towns and I can say with a bit of authority your idea is pretty moronic.

 

Beyond stupid.

 

The strange thing was the Democratic primaries were nice, while the Republican primaries were nasty. Bernie and Hillary never said "My opponent is lying thieving stupid trash." The Republicans said that about each other nonstop.

Then -- and here is where the deep irony comes in -- the general election started and the Republicans fell into line, because they didn't believe what they were saying. It was rhetoric bullshit. But they got the Bernie/Jill voters to listen to them. Crooked Hillary, Email Hillary, FBI investigated Hillary ... those memes all came from the right.

So, Republicans knew that other Republicans were full of it, and promptly paid the right-wing insults no attention once the election started for real. but Bernie/Jill voters didn't figure that out. They earnestly ate what they were fed.

 

I am gonna steal the ******** out of this and post in 2020.

 

From ********ing LaPage to W, you are full of shit. You can't even back it up so you ********ing lie and say conventional wisdom. He posed facts you posed feelings. GTFO!!!

 

What is there to lie about? I was pretty transparent that I voted for Gary Johnson. Had the GOP nominated a rational person I might have voted for him. There was no way I was ever going to vote for Hillary Clinton, although there was a time I voted for Bubba, twice.

 

The lie is your conventional wisdom bullshite!! State for me, I voted Johnson, not conventional wisdom is 3rd party candidates help Dems because there is no evidence of that. You.Are.Making.It Up

 

Lying about what, dipshit? Ross Perot got Bill Clinton elected. And I voted for Bill Clinton.

 

But wait, does this mean voting for an L is no longer a slam-dunk GOP helper? Or is this lack of evidence one-way only?

 

For me, most Libertarian voters wouldn't vote Republican if a Libertarian weren't running. They would just sit it out. They have the chance to vote Democrat, but they won't. Voting any third party at all only hurts Democratic candidates.

 

I'm sure Deadtigers will be along shortly to lecture you about evidence. Any minute now.

 

Many libertarians agree more with Republicans than democrats.

I am not sure about the breakdown but a good segment would not vote another segment would vote republican and I am sure some would vote democrat.

There are studies that do say if everyone in the USA voted, democrats would do better in elections, but the range was not huge, 2-4% better if I remember correctly.

Not all non voters are automatic Democrats, and not all 3rd party voters are automatic Democrats.


Knave is taking about Sandernistas, many Trump voters did say Sanders was their second choice.

Now the percentage was probably low teens, so of the 6.5% or so he is taking about the bulk could have gone to Clinton if we had run off elections.

 

The Democrat party is the antithesis of libertarian ideas. The Republicans aren't much better but they do actually talk about smaller government and lower taxes. The follow through is not so good though.

 

They may agree on some things, but Libertarians tend to vote strictly Libertarian or not at all, so they don't hurt Republican candidates.

I said all third party votes hurt Democrats because Republicans aren't hurt by third party voters. We can point to many, many Democrats who lost because of third party voters (not just at the national level, but local levels, too). You can't really say the same for Republicans.

 

And yet Ross Perot got Bill Clinton elected and Hillary didn't win because I voted for Gary Johnson.

 

Bill Clinton vs Bush 1 and the Texas fellow, I think someone mentioned him above but I am blanking right now.

I remember an old study by CATO (they would have a libertarian bias) that 70% plus of people that could be considered libertarians by their bias definition vote republican.

Now this was in the 2000s, libertarians are very white, but tend to be more educated, so I would not be surprised if more and more are voting Democratic.

I am from Illinois where my vote does not matter, so I have voted green party most of my life, it was more about protesting the 2 party system than anything.

The supreme Court is what got me voting Democrat in resent elections.

But most people that do not fully identify with a party "independents" do end up voting for a party it is the hard core that vote 3rd party.

So yes if 3rd party was not an option many would not vote but a good segment would vote for one of the big 2, libertarians mostly republican and greens mostly Democrat.