Debunking the Jozy Altidore Hate on BigSoccer

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  1. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He came into this year quite lean.
     
  2. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Jozy had the potential for more. That's the disheartening thing
     
  3. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Problem is Jozy doesn't rank particularly highly in the 'part of the pack coming right after'.
     
  4. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    I don't think he managed his moves--apart from AZ--very well. He's one of a number of examples over the years of "Europe" not being particularly great for his career. Though at the time, staying at MLS wasn't a realistic option, either.
     
  5. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    it's the damn PL. Splashing cash like there's no tomorrow. AZ made out like Kings. Had he gone to say Italy or France he may have fared better.

    Shame he didn't give the Lille option a possibility. They wanted him for a loan I think back in early 2015
     
  6. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    I seriously doubt that if Jurgen Klinsmann quit tomorrow that Jozy Altidore's hamstrings would suddenly get healthy.
     
  7. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    When taking into account his competitive international career, it becomes plain to see that Jozy's stints in La Liga and the EPL were reflective of his general level. On the other hand, his Eredivisie career in addition to internationals such as the Bosnia friendly demonstrated the possibility of elite play within a certain niche of use. I would use Kyle Beckerman's international career as an analogue. In Bob's dual-8 system, Beckerman was clearly out of his depth. But playing as a specialist 6 surrounded by runners, he shined in JK's system.

    Altidore burst onto the seen at NYRB, while playing alongside a striker. At AZ, he played off a dynamic a-mid.
     
  8. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only one way to know.
     
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  9. bostondiesel

    bostondiesel Member

    Oct 23, 2006

    This is JK. He is consistent with who he was when we hired him.

    I don't think there is any middle ground with him on training,diet etc. There is tons of evidence of this in the Tim Howard book, the LD battle...He is who you hired.

    You will not see a departure from this stuff until the relieve him.
     
  10. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well Klinsmann also said that Jozy would be back playing during that World Cup. Can you also see the beginning of an Altidore/Klinsmann rift?

    Thankfully most of us and the players are sophisticated enough to see the difference between coaching gamesmanship against the opponents and middle school style rifts.
     
  11. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    How does this fit in with the narrative of the January camp where several veterans supposedly turned Kinsman down when asked to report early for physical conditioning? Jozy came in very fit but guys like Wondo, Evans and Dempsey decided to skip the workouts. Bester wasn't there either, right?
     
  12. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
  13. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
  14. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  15. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  16. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Wha????

    No, you don't know his oeuvre...
     
  17. smokey

    smokey Member

    Nov 21, 2000
    Cali
    During the World Cup I felt Jozy would have brought us more tactical flexibility that could have improved our results. Jozy's presence makes us better despite his flaws. Its an indictment on our forward pool rather than the man. Hopefully after the Copa this problem is resolved. Someone has to step forward and take the role from Jozy or make his role obsolete.
     
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  18. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I picked the wrong MLS player. But in the same article where he suggests he'd drop Mix for Sacha, he suggests Brek Shea and CJ Sapong for the Copa roster. I just can't take any of that seriously.
     
  19. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Which part?
     
  20. Amscray

    Amscray Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Aug 24, 2007
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CJ Sapong might be as close to a true "target forward" as we have right now. Not saying he's USMNT quality or even an improvement over the norm, but I would have preferred him on the 40-man roster over, say, WondoW.
     
  21. bostondiesel

    bostondiesel Member

    Oct 23, 2006

    I've watched this guy quite a bit recently.... He would bring us what ???

    Admittedly I cannot stand his team.
     
  22. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The argument that Hex goals aren't important drives me crazy. WE HAVE TO WIN THE HEX GAMES TOO! Its not like we are winning all of the hex games 4-0 and Jozy is scoring number 4.

    As for the repeated injuries. I am willing to bet a not inconsiderable amount of money that Jozy has never deadlifted 2x his body weight for 5 by 3 and squatted 1.5 his bodyweight for 5 in the same gym session. I imagine he is doing all sorts of dumb gym stuff that is so popular among professional trainers/snake oil salesmen.
     
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  23. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If he could,how would that improve his first touch?
     
  24. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    His number one issue is the hamstring. I'll take his touch as-is if he could stay on the field.

    Availability is a skill.
     
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  25. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://www.socceramerica.com/article/68968/what-theyre-saying-jozy-altidore.html?edition=15625

    nice move by Jozy:

    "When Haiti qualified, I just thought it'd be a cool thing, because they haven't qualified for a major tournament since the [1974] World Cup. I thought this would be something cool knowing how much Haitian people love their national team ... to have thousands of people who otherwise wouldn't be able to see the matches broadcast the group games and see them perform."
    -- U.S. forward Jozy Altidore
     

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